The wiki pages for bookmaker, betting, and fishmonger have been added by me. After adding a couple of such pages, I realized writing proper documentation is harder than it seems (i definitely agree with the criticism about these pages), so that's why I decided to start a broader discussion on this list, before continue working on the documentation. I will adapt the pages again after this discussion has resulted in some outcomes.
In British English seafood generally refers to shellfish. So a seafood >> shop will be a shop, usually at the seaside, where you buy prawns, >> mussels, cockles and things that are ready to eat, with vinegar, as you >> walk along the front. To tag this a fishmonger would be misleading. >> > > What you write makes sense, but the problem is that who wrote the wiki for > these shops didn't know about these distinctions, see here > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dseafood a fishmonger is > explicitly given as synonym (and btw. it was Harry Wood adding this > synonym, AFAIK a British fellow) > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfishmonger shellfish seems > to be included in the definition and seafood is given as synonym. But this > page was created just 4 days ago. > In creating shop=fishmonger, I followed the accepted proposal ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/seafood_shop ), and actual use (from the names of the shops tagged with seafood, one can deduce that seafood is also used for shops selling sweet water fish). But I agree that I should perhaps not have used the term 'Discouraged' only because of the outcome of a vote. > Also your definitions for bookmaker and betting are appealing (me is > neither an expert in this kind of business), and again the definition for > betting like that for betting is 5 days old: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dbetting&action=historyand > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dbookmaker&action=historyand > were written by the same person and contain the same text. > > There has not been voted about these proposals, so in documenting I could only follow actual use. Both betting and bookmaker seem to be used for the same kind of shops: jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*[shop=bookmaker]<http://jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*%5Bshop=bookmaker%5D> jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*[shop=betting]<http://jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*%5Bshop=bookmaker%5D> In particular, the major chains Ladbrokes, Coral and William Hill seem to be tagged both ways. I believe that documenting both tags is better than document no tag at all. Moreover, I believe that I have made clear in both pages that the difference between both type of shops is not clear. I understand that Philip sees the two shops as different, and I would welcome a proposal along that line, but for the moment, it seems that taggers are not using such a distinction. -- Matthijs
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