Hello Frederik, From: Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> >Perhaps it could work to draw the boundary in the same way as the >company draws it themselves. If they have, on their web site, >instructions on how to find them - possibly a map, or a description - >then they can be placed on the map. If they don't, or try to hide their >actual location from visitors of their web site, then they can't be on >OSM either.
+1 as general guidance, with the addition that we can also map offices with "landmark" character, even if the webpage does not provide driving instructions. Bye, pmsg 2014/1/23 <[email protected]>: > Send Tagging mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tagging digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. tag "covered" questions (Richard Z.) > 2. Re: Ski_jump_take_off (Janko Miheli?) > 3. Re: tag "covered" questions (Martin Koppenhoefer) > 4. Re: Ski_jump_take_off (Richard Z.) > 5. Re: tag "covered" questions (Richard Z.) > 6. Re: Bitcoin and Online shops (Frederik Ramm) > 7. Re: Bitcoin and Online shops (Frederik Ramm) > 8. Re: Bitcoin and Online shops (Frederik Ramm) > 9. Re: Bitcoin and Online shops (Peter Wendorff) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:15:36 +0100 > From: "Richard Z." <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > > considering a fairly short way that is partially covered in several > places by one or more buidlings: > > (1) should the way be split in sections and covered applied striclty only > to the covered sections > (2) or is it good enough to mark a larger section with covered and interpret > it to the effect that the "covered" only defines a covered-relation where > there is actualy an object that can cover it - somewhat similar to the > the way layer has only a defined meaning where two or more objects > intersect. > > Related, in cases where covered is used without a layer tag should there be > a common node in the place the way is crossing the building boundary in the > same way there are supposed to be common nodes when streams cross riverbanks > or weirs? > > > Richard > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:33:41 +0100 > From: Janko Miheli? <[email protected]> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off > Message-ID: > <CAA=vps-mkicfsch4pbzxvvsmfwgahxfcd_bd394bcgxxqqf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2014/1/23 Richard Z. <[email protected]> > >> * sport=* is used for something different. His intention was to describe >> the >> details of a technical structure, not to say what kind of sport facility >> it is. >> Would you map ski-pistest with sport=*? How? >> * 97 is a high percentage ski jump sites that were mapped. There is no >> reason >> to compare it with unrelated sports. >> * sport=* is really lacking form many purposes, which is the reason that >> most >> sports that can profit from detailed mapping don't use it. We don?t mark >> hiking >> trails with sport=hiking, via ferrata's with sport=, waterways with >> sport=kayaking. >> > > In all those cases sport=* is used to describe what sport can be played on > a particular physical object. Sport=hiking is put on a highway=path, > sport=kayaking is put on waterway=river. > > Following that logic, we should have sport=ski_jumping put on a > leisure=ski_jump_hill. sport=ski_jump_take_off makes no sense, because > that's not a sport, that is a facility. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140123/93cd2b84/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:34:42 +0100 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions > Message-ID: > <cabptjtchmkf6cxoknlembywflxllmdrqakpqpo6ni6t89xd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2014/1/23 Richard Z. <[email protected]> > >> Hi, >> >> considering a fairly short way that is partially covered in several >> places by one or more buidlings: >> >> (1) should the way be split in sections and covered applied striclty only >> to the covered sections >> > > > yes, as always you should add tags only to the parts of an object to where > they apply. > > > >> >> Related, in cases where covered is used without a layer tag should there be >> a common node in the place the way is crossing the building boundary in the >> same way there are supposed to be common nodes when streams cross >> riverbanks >> or weirs? >> > > > IMHO there should always be a layer tag to store topology. > > cheers, > Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140123/c06eb132/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:54:31 +0100 > From: "Richard Z." <[email protected]> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:33:41PM +0100, Janko Miheli? wrote: >> 2014/1/23 Richard Z. <[email protected]> >> >> > * sport=* is used for something different. His intention was to describe >> > the >> > details of a technical structure, not to say what kind of sport facility >> > it is. >> > Would you map ski-pistest with sport=*? How? >> > * 97 is a high percentage ski jump sites that were mapped. There is no >> > reason >> > to compare it with unrelated sports. >> > * sport=* is really lacking form many purposes, which is the reason that >> > most >> > sports that can profit from detailed mapping don't use it. We don?t mark >> > hiking >> > trails with sport=hiking, via ferrata's with sport=, waterways with >> > sport=kayaking. >> > >> >> In all those cases sport=* is used to describe what sport can be played on >> a particular physical object. Sport=hiking is put on a highway=path, >> sport=kayaking is put on waterway=river. > > not even mentioned in the respective pages > * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking > * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Whitewater_sports > > Regarding cycling, is it a sport, leisure or just a mean of transportation? > Some ways should be marked with all three. > >> Following that logic, we should have sport=ski_jumping put on a >> leisure=ski_jump_hill. sport=ski_jump_take_off makes no sense, because >> that's not a sport, that is a facility. > > I think you listed two valid points in this paragraph but I don?t see > how they follow the same logic. They are just different uses for different > purposes. > > > Richard > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:58:25 +0100 > From: "Richard Z." <[email protected]> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:34:42PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> >> > >> > Related, in cases where covered is used without a layer tag should there be >> > a common node in the place the way is crossing the building boundary in the >> > same way there are supposed to be common nodes when streams cross >> > riverbanks >> > or weirs? >> > >> >> >> IMHO there should always be a layer tag to store topology. > > there are many cases where you can not apply a layer tag meaningfully. There > is a way going through a building - which means the building is on both sides > of the way, above the way and supposedly also some underground levels bellow > the way. > > Richard > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:07:53 +0100 > From: Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi, > > On 01/23/2014 12:30 AM, Janko Miheli? wrote: >> Don't you think a visualization of the spatial distribution of online >> businesses would be interesting to someone? Are there more on the east >> or on the west coast of USA? > > Two answers > > A - get a list of online businesses with addresses, geocode, voila. No > need to add them into OSM. > > or > > B - by all means add them to URL just make sure you leave out their URL, > this will allow all the interesting uses you speak of and will help the > delivery driver to find them but that way we can be sure OSM will not be > abused for spam. > >> Also, a little widget that shows you where is the office of the page you >> are currently on. > > Why would you be insterested? > >> And then there's all those ways of using that information we don't know yet. > > Yes, for example to drive up search engine rankings. > > We have to weigh the potential positive and the potential negative uses > here; placing the URL of a business into OSM when that business derives > all their revenue through people actually knowing the URL is just asking > to be abused. > > Bye > Frederik > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:09:32 +0100 > From: Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > On 01/23/2014 12:29 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> I completely agree that adding online businesses at fake locations is spam, >> but your relevance criteria seem too tight. > > I'd rather have too tight criteria (and leave out an occasional URL that > might be useful) than be too open (and give spammers an excuse to abuse > OSM). > > Bye > Frederik > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:12:58 +0100 > From: Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > On 01/23/2014 09:26 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: >> At a real, existing office with working people, it's possible that I >> want to go there to apply for a job, to talk to them about an idea, in >> special cases to buy something in personal, even if they usually don't >> do that by personal contact there. > > Perhaps it could work to draw the boundary in the same way as the > company draws it themselves. If they have, on their web site, > instructions on how to find them - possibly a map, or a description - > then they can be placed on the map. If they don't, or try to hide their > actual location from visitors of their web site, then they can't be on > OSM either. > > Bye > Frederik > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:00:06 +0100 > From: Peter Wendorff <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sounds like a good starting point at least. > > regards > Peter > > Am 23.01.2014 14:12, schrieb Frederik Ramm: >> Hi, >> >> On 01/23/2014 09:26 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: >>> At a real, existing office with working people, it's possible that I >>> want to go there to apply for a job, to talk to them about an idea, in >>> special cases to buy something in personal, even if they usually don't >>> do that by personal contact there. >> >> Perhaps it could work to draw the boundary in the same way as the >> company draws it themselves. If they have, on their web site, >> instructions on how to find them - possibly a map, or a description - >> then they can be placed on the map. If they don't, or try to hide their >> actual location from visitors of their web site, then they can't be on >> OSM either. >> >> Bye >> Frederik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > End of Tagging Digest, Vol 52, Issue 65 > *************************************** _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
