On 08.04.2014 11:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-04-07 22:11 GMT+02:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider <[email protected]>: > >> I created two proposals for which the time to vote is over but there are no >> votes :(. Should we open the voting once again or what is the usual >> procedure in >> such a case? The proposals are: >> > > > of course you can reput this to voting, but if there wasn't interest the > first time it might continue to be like this also the second time. Did you > advertize your proposals on "tagging", local ML etc.? It might also be that > there wasn't enough "marketing" for your proposals to draw the attention of > potential voters. As noted on the proposal pages, both proposals where properly announced on the tagging list and discussed. I did not make further advertisements because of the participation I saw on the mailing list.
> > In detail I have looked at your proposals now, and like to comment: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_holiday_select > > IMHO it would be useful to have a list (also the beginning of a list) of > possible values to make this more useful for documentation purposes. > Usually spaces are substituted by underscores in formal values and no > capitalization occurs. Maybe it could also be made more explicit that this > is an _only_ condition (not sure if makes sense). The naming schema was the one which had been used by Netzwolf originally (in the source code). It is also the one which I got from the import of all school holidays in Germany (with https://github.com/ypid/opening_hours.js/blob/master/convert_ical_to_json). Changing that format can be discussed. Personally I don‘t think that it is necessary about if I am the only one we can change that of course ;) I guess the syntax is ok. The few who need it or come across this syntax could hopefully understand it (or try it out: http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/) or read the documentation or the proposal. > the other one: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until > seems not to specifiy how this missing information (opening time) should be > interpreted / is defined. > > What does it mean if there is a social club or say a disco with > opening_hours=-17:00 > will it be open at 5 in the morning? At noon? > > Or in your example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/370126261/history > -20:00 > can I have breakfast there? Or eat at 11:30? Or at 16:00? > > IMHO almost useless to put this onto some object. Better ask them when they > usually open and add this. If there i I totally agree with you but the values do appear in OSM and I wanted to hear opinions from other mappers about this. Just asking them (the owners of a facility) sounds like the best idea. Maybe add a opening_hours comment for notes and hints. More details have already been discussed in much more detail on the tagging mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-February/016559.html > cheers, > Martin My own opinion about these two proposal is that I fully support the opening_hours_holiday_select proposal. The opening_hours_open_until proposal on the other hand was created to talk about this issue and maybe find an solution. -- Live long and prosper Robin Schneider _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
