W dniu 08.07.2014 16:14, SomeoneElse napisał(a):
Currently taginfo suggests almost no usage of peak like this
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/peak#values
Yes, but that's exactly where the problem is: I think people are simply
cheating now. =} They see no other peak tags in wiki, so they use just
the one they see. Using natural=peak almost everywhere instead of
man_made=peak, when that would be the most reasonable way to tag, make
me think this way.
and see also:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/natural=peak#combinations
There's nothing interesting IMHO - name, ele etc. are all OK, but they
don't help with the problem.
The "Proposed_features" page seems confused about tagging and
rendering though - given that local terrain height is available in
most parts of the world from external sources, couldn't a map that
wanted to suppress hillocks do so simply by comparing elevation with
that? I'm not sure why you'd need to tag the height of "things around
thing A" on "thing A" itself.
I think tagging, documentation and rendering are somehow intertwined.
That's why people are cheating. It's very tempting to have peak visible
through natural=peak even if you know for sure it's not natural.
So let's look the other way: why we tag the mountain peaks, in the first
place, if it's even more simple to identify them by comparing elevation
than hills and hillocks?
Additional (general) problem is we have poor terrain representation. On
the main page only the OpenCycleMap has this kind of data visible, but
from what I saw it's effective only for high mountains. For micromapping
it just doesn't work at all.
Also, the normal way to "define" OSM features is by going out and
mapping them - so I'd go out and do that first, rather than worry
about getting a "proposal" "accepted".
I'm not that worried - if people won't accept it, it just won't be
accepted and I can live with that: maybe I am totally wrong or that is
not the best way of dealing with my problem? Go and tell me!
What worries me more is that I don't really know how to clearly show how
complex this problem is. It's not only about tagging documentation, but
also good elevation/shading background, tags rendering and people
behavior. There may be even more! =}
start from here if I were you") but it's not meant to be - OSM needs
mappers far more than it needs proposal writers. If you think that
it's important to classify a natural=peak as a hillock go and have a
look at it, and if it looks like a hillock to you, tag it as one!
Well, I am the active mapper for years now =} , but that's the wall I
hit when micromapping and I try to fix it. I see this proposal as the
next level of scratching my itch, not leaving the base work.
--
Mambałaga
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