It maybe controversial, but I think we don't want "everyone" editing the map. I think we need some barriers to filter out people who are "good" mappers. Good mappers have to understand this is not a service for them, but a community. They have to understand this is not a drawn map but a database. They have to appreciate the effort of others, and so on.
Of course, not everyone is a good mapper from the start, and starting to map should be easy and fun. And I think it is. But if you want to go to the next step and become a regular mapper, something not being rendered shouldn't be an obstacle for you to continue mapping it. Janko sub, 16. svi 2015. 05:03 André Pirard <[email protected]> je napisao: > On 2015-05-16 01:40, Frederik Ramm wrote : > > Hi, > > On 05/16/2015 12:03 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > I don't know whether this has been discussed or even mooted before... > > > Often. > > > Tagging for the renderer is natural. Mappers, especially newbies will be > disappointed their pet new feature they've just added to the db does not > appear on the map. > > > Thing is, there is no "THE" map. There's tons of maps in various colour > schemes and designs, as well as tons of non-map uses of our data, and > this is one of the super strenghts of OSM - we record that there's a > motorway, and the map maker can define how they want the motorway drawn. > > Yes, there is "THE" ("main") map at OSM.org but indeed I don't remember > having ever read what it is for. > Tentatively it's a tourism, traveler's etc. *general* map like those one > finds in bookshops on paper, but ecologic. > But lately, under "Is what we're doing useful?", I reported a reply from > Tom Hughes > <https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/871#issuecomment-69663724> > seeming to say that THE map is not for the general public and refusing to > set a help page for it (plus saying that the documentation we make amounts > to being crap). So, every tagger is invited to make and publish his own > rendering and to pay Google so that it were advertised better than the > others. > > Your suggestion would kill that flexibility, and everyone would have to > adhere to that one colour scheme set up by the mapper or editor. It > would totally run against everything we hold dear. > > I understand that what pmailkee suggests is basically similar to what I > once suggested: lessen tagging for the renderer by finding means to make > rendering simpler to implement so that every specific tiny feature is not a > hassle to render and that the tagger finds "legal" ways to tag with > rendering (making visible) the features *he* holds dear. The proposed > solutions may well not be the best ones but... > Just like what you write here, all the answers were "NOT". Even stupidly > laughing at what I wrote. > There was *not a single* attempt to suggest alternative solutions to the > problem. > Consequently, the consensus was "we prefer tagging for the renderer". > > An alternative is for example using something like a rendered > "landuse=tourism" for features more specifically defined with Logical > Structured tagging attributes like tourism:leisure=maze, > tourism:leisure=miniature_golf, tourism=camp_site, etc., any feature that > fits on an area with a name for touristic purpose. Other purposes alike. > That tag would fill an otherwise empty area with any plain color the > render chooses and write a name on it unless some more specific rendering > exists. And the tagger would be glad that not only the feature found by > search are made visible (and back to invisible when the search pane is > closed). > I called that "generic rendering" and even that was refused (the examples > above are generalized existing tags). > So, the general consensus answer is clearly "please do tag for the > renderer". > > Cheers > > André. > > What you are talking about is essentially "MS Paint with multi-user > capability". That's certainly an interesting project in itself but not > something that we should remotely consider in OSM. > > Bye > Frederik > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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