On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Shawn K. Quinn <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-12-26 at 17:45 +0900, John Willis wrote: > > > > > On Dec 26, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Shawn K. Quinn <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > basically just someone's driveway > > > > It may not be an official name, as in an official city public road. > > > > But it is a named road. Even service roads can have names, and the > > private residential roads in a large housing complex are easy to name. > > Even long driveways to private residences can be labeled if the > > information is signed and needed by a person for proper routing. > > From what I could tell on the video, the road/driveway is not very long. > The HOA really shouldn't have required them to name it based on what > I've observed of HOAs here in (Harris, Fort Bend, and Montgomery > Counties in) Texas. It's quite possible Colorado is different. I'm not sure length or significance of the street matters on whether or not it has a name. Beaverton claims Short Street <https://api.mapbox.com/v4/pauljohnson.mgo71men/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoicGF1bGpvaG5zb24iLCJhIjoiYmYwOGE5OTdmODdhMjBkOTc3NjVjN2Q4ODNlNzBhM2UifQ.GsQqFIeUvV6OuJw2eah8iw#20/45.48850/-122.80669> is the shortest street in the world at 6'0", though I dispute Beaverton's measurement as you can see the Google Car fits on the block <https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4884393,-122.8067081,3a,75y,268.55h,74.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWJpQ7PoY7ggygqJYEOHtrg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWJpQ7PoY7ggygqJYEOHtrg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D148.75418%26pitch%3D0!7i3328!8i1664> (barely), and most people barely notice the break in the curb between Canyon Road and Beaverdam Road (which is essentially an alley, complete with 15 MPH limit). And since it's a private road (if you look at the Mapbox aerial <https://api.mapbox.com/v4/pauljohnson.mgo71men/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoicGF1bGpvaG5zb24iLCJhIjoiYmYwOGE5OTdmODdhMjBkOTc3NjVjN2Q4ODNlNzBhM2UifQ.GsQqFIeUvV6OuJw2eah8iw#19/38.70813/-104.68175>, there's actually two driveways off it, currently belonging to the same property, but appears to be a stub for a potential small future subdivision), that'd be about as official as it's going to get (for now), and it's posted, so there's a ground truth to it (someone local to Colorado Springs could confirm that the sign's been replaced, since presumably the HOA gets the news). > The only exception I would see to this is if it is just the homeowner's > > name. If it is any kind of ref or non-family name "Circle J Road", then > > it should be labeled. > > My issue with labeling the road itself is that any navigation > device/software which uses OSM data may at some point read off that > long, silly name (which may well exceed the expected length as well). I > really do not want to see the horrible mess that Mapnik will probably > make trying to label it, either. (Or will it just not try if the name is > too long?) > This is something data consumers need to Just Deal With; zero-one-infinity <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_one_infinity_rule> should apply and deal with such situations rationally. At least my region is prone to *extremely long* names (and sometimes *extremely multiplexed* routes, hence why I keep bringing up that we really should move to relations rather than way-tagging refs for what can be handled with route=* relations, but there's another thread about this). Oklahoma named part of OK 66 Officer Larry W. Cantrell and Mister Charles L. Cantrell Memorial Highway <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/288406184>, for example (and made me doubletake when I saw the signs). Why not a longer segment and a shorter name (like the entire Sapulpa-Tulsa segment of 66 as just "Cantrell Highway" and erect a monument along it is beyond me; I'm not the one who sets the ground truth. At least "A dog...pickle road" is fairly mnemonic and iconic by contrast.
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