Here is a Swedish version of that NY snowmobile map that uses OSM data:
http://skoterleder.org/#!map/7/62.4692/17.6440 transaltes to: "snowmobile routes.org" https://github.com/skoterleder/skoterleder.org On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Kevin Kenny <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, exactly. People tag the ways, but nobody's been working on creating the > relations for the long, nearly continuous routes. (Qualifiers: In this > country. As far as I can tell. I'd be delighted to be wrong.) > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Brad Neuhauser <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Minnesota has a bunch too. >> http://dnr.state.mn.us/snowmobiling/interactive_map/index.html I'm sure >> it's the same for other states. I personally don't snowmobile but have just >> noticed many ways tagged in OSM since they sometimes follow bike routes. :) >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Kevin Kenny <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> I agree that route=snowmobile makes more sense. Since there were exactly >>> zero uses of the tag in the US, I missed it entirely. (Then again, I don't >>> know how many jurisdictions have numbered snowmobile routes overlaid on the >>> highway and trail networks!) >>> >>> Are we agreed, then, on the following? >>> >>> roles should be the same as for route=road >>> name, network and ref should be filled in where available. In general, >>> either a name or a network/ref pair is expected. >>> US:NY:snowmobile:corridor and US:NY:snowmobile:secondary are reasonable >>> choices for the network >>> >>> If I don't hear cries and screams, expect a proposal on the Wiki at some >>> point. (I also haven't abandoned access=permit, just gotten sidetracked on >>> some actual mapping and haven't got back to it yet.) >>> >>> Incidentally, US:NY:snowmobile:corridor and US:NY:snowmobile:secondary >>> form an extensive network of about 15000 km. There's a route map at >>> http://www.nysnowmobilewebmap.com/webmap/ The numbered routes are in red >>> (corridor) and orange (secondary). Blue are un-numbered routes belonging to >>> local clubs. The underlying GIS data that were used for that map are free >>> for us to use, but I do NOT propose an import because they don't meet my >>> standards of data quality. Just to begin with, they are digitized at an >>> inappropriately small scale. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Brad Neuhauser >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> It may not be "officially recognized" but route=snowmobile is used some >>>> [0], and IMHO makes a lot more sense than route=road! >>>> >>>> [0] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/route=snowmobile >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Kevin Kenny >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I thought sure that I had raised this question before, but a quick >>>>> troll through the archives doesn't seem to show it. >>>>> >>>>> New York State has an extensive network of designated snowmobile >>>>> routes, intended to be long-distance continuous paths. In some cases, they >>>>> follow highways, or logging roads on state land. In other cases, the state >>>>> offers grants to private landowners to maintain the route, funded out of >>>>> snowmobile registration fees. (At least that's my understanding of how the >>>>> system works. I'm not a snowmobilist). Except where the route is groomed >>>>> alongside a highway (or sometimes on the highway - not all our roads are >>>>> open to motor vehicles in winter), other motor vehicles are ordinarily >>>>> forbidden. >>>>> >>>>> These routes are marked with a highway shield, with reassurance markers >>>>> at intervals. There are even two tiers of routes: 'corridor' and >>>>> 'secondary'. Both are long-distance routes, so they are not appropriate >>>>> for >>>>> the name=* field on a track or path. (Example: Haul Road No. 1 in the >>>>> Dutch >>>>> Settlement State Forest is blazed for both the New York Long Path >>>>> (route=hiking) and Snowmobile Corridor Route 7B. A highway shield on a >>>>> snowmobile route looks like https://flic.kr/p/nPeMwe. >>>>> >>>>> We don't (yet?) have a 'route=snowmobile' officially recognized. What I >>>>> used recently when a hike (gathering map data for something else) took me >>>>> for a while on a snowmobile corridor was 'route=road >>>>> network=US:NY:snowmobile:corridor ref=7B'. (If it had been a secondary >>>>> route, it would of course have been US:NY:snowmobile:secondary.) I feel a >>>>> little uncomfortable about route=road, which seems to be tailored for >>>>> motor >>>>> vehicles, but the tagging would be in all ways the same - type, network, >>>>> route, ref are all there, and even most of the roles are possible (there >>>>> are >>>>> link trails, for instance, providing access to nearby highways, or places >>>>> where a route splits into a one-way pair). >>>>> >>>>> Does this sound plausible? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tagging mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tagging mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- /emj _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
