As one who is indigenous to the United States, I don't see the problem with Lake Calhoun.
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 10:34 PM, <tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Send Tagging mailing list submissions to > tagging@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tagging-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tagging digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, > Minnesota (Tom Hardy) > 2. Re: Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, > Minnesota (Clifford Snow) > 3. Re: Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, > Minnesota (Tom Hardy) > 4. Re: Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, > Minnesota (Clifford Snow) > 5. Re: Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, > Minnesota (Dave Swarthout) > 6. Re: Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, > Minnesota (Brad Neuhauser) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:11:18 -0500 > From: Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in > Minneapolis, Minnesota > Message-ID: <3221875.6s8bfxf...@sgt.decathlon.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Lake Calhoun <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=44164741> is the subject > of > local discussion due to racist associations of the word "Calhoun". I know > a > name change has been promoted, but I have no further details. > > The name was recently changed to name=Bde Maka Ska, with name:dak=Mde Maka > Ska, something that won't be recognised by most people or entities in the > area. > > I added name:en=Lake Calhoun and added a note but have taken no further > action. > > -- > Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:23:50 -0700 > From: Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in > Minneapolis, Minnesota > Message-ID: > <CADAoPLq9uN5HRaEC1gLrEwq500679DV7oUuOqAgn+bZVEN9XDA@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Lake Calhoun <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=44164741> is the subject > > of > > local discussion due to racist associations of the word "Calhoun". I > know > > a > > name change has been promoted, but I have no further details. > > > > The name was recently changed to name=Bde Maka Ska, with name:dak=Mde > Maka > > Ska, something that won't be recognised by most people or entities in the > > area. > > > > I added name:en=Lake Calhoun and added a note but have taken no further > > action. > > > > According to Wikipedia [1], the city can not change the name. But since > they did put up new signage, according to the article, I agree that > name=Bde Maka Ska is appropriate. I would use the name_1=Lake Calhoun > instead of name:en. Lake Calhoun isn't the english version of Bde Maka Ska. > > >From an article in the StarTribune [2] it looks like the park is still > called East Lake Calhoun Park. > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Calhoun#Name > [2] > http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-park-board-to- > vote-tonight-on-lake-calhoun-name-change/421157163/ > > Clifford > > -- > @osm_seattle > osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us > OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/ > attachments/20170608/3a2d8ed8/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:50:01 -0500 > From: Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in > Minneapolis, Minnesota > Message-ID: <27220167.8zj5pc1...@sgt.decathlon.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thursday, 8 June 2017 18:23:50 CDT Clifford Snow wrote: > > > According to Wikipedia [1], the city can not change the name. But since > > they did put up new signage, according to the article, I agree that > > name=Bde Maka Ska is appropriate. I would use the name_1=Lake Calhoun > > instead of name:en. Lake Calhoun isn't the english version of Bde Maka > Ska. > > [...] > > Huh. That one flew right by me. Noted. Now I have to learn to pronounce > it. > > -- > Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 17:13:34 -0700 > From: Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in > Minneapolis, Minnesota > Message-ID: > <CADAoPLp4=j58if-8WLyoeFMxHnNMqp5sP0LwdE731Xm33 > tr...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Huh. That one flew right by me. Noted. Now I have to learn to > pronounce > > it. > > > Me too. Next time I'm in Minneapolis I don't want to see like a tourist and > pronounce it incorrectly. > > FYI - We "renamed" our county because the original person was also a slave > owner. Fortunately we went from being named after William R. King to Martin > Luther King, Jr. So King County became King County. Much easier. > > -- > @osm_seattle > osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us > OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/ > attachments/20170608/0e35b107/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 18:04:01 -0800 > From: Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in > Minneapolis, Minnesota > Message-ID: > <CAKWFYhX5oeYJVwVB1eKTZcMqdecKDSWFvvpd7uPqcKqEzYMokg@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Names of things are changing ll the time. Here in Alaska, Barrow has been > renamed to Utqiagvik, for example. > > However, I don't think you should use the name_1 tag. There has been > endless discussion on this list about the uses of tags having numerical > suffixes either with underscores or colons, and I believe that notation is > out of favor now. Names like this one might better be tagged either as > old_name=Lake Calhoun, or alt_name=Lake Calhoun. Using alt_name has, IIRC, > the additional advantage of being searchable with Nominatum. > > Best, > > Dave > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Huh. That one flew right by me. Noted. Now I have to learn to > >> pronounce it. > > > > > > Me too. Next time I'm in Minneapolis I don't want to see like a tourist > > and pronounce it incorrectly. > > > > FYI - We "renamed" our county because the original person was also a > slave > > owner. Fortunately we went from being named after William R. King to > Martin > > Luther King, Jr. So King County became King County. Much easier. > > > > -- > > @osm_seattle > > osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us > > OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/ > attachments/20170608/044b7a14/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 21:34:07 -0500 > From: Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhau...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in > Minneapolis, Minnesota > Message-ID: > <CAJA6SWbO_=wW0=4tLhPLdGXoOmDdO5kL7EjHbkK21Eqwy9Bq= > w...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi I live in Minneapolis and am excited for this change. For Clifford and > whoever else is interested, here's an article that has the Dakota > pronunciation for Bde Maka Ska and some other area lakes: > https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/14/bdemakaska-lake-calhoun > > Locally there's been an increasing awareness of the indigenous land we are > living on--for example see this map the city did with some of the > indigenous place names within Minneapolis: > https://streets.mn/2017/06/05/map-monday-dakota-and-ojibwe- > place-names-in-minneapolis/ > As an OSM tie-in, I've been adding Dakota (name:dak) and Ojibwe (name:oj) > names for some physical features in Minnesota. > > Cheers, > Brad (aka neuhausr) > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Huh. That one flew right by me. Noted. Now I have to learn to > >> pronounce it. > > > > > > Me too. Next time I'm in Minneapolis I don't want to see like a tourist > > and pronounce it incorrectly. > > > > FYI - We "renamed" our county because the original person was also a > slave > > owner. Fortunately we went from being named after William R. King to > Martin > > Luther King, Jr. So King County became King County. Much easier. > > > > -- > > @osm_seattle > > osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us > > OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/ > attachments/20170608/9bea2de5/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tagging Digest, Vol 93, Issue 12 > *************************************** >
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