> Hi, > > In Spain it is common to find litter bins that have attached a dog > excrement bags dispenser. In Talk-es discussed how to map these bins [ > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html] > and we did not reach a conclusion. > > There are 2 opinions: > - 1 node with tags > amenity = waste_basket > vending = excrement_bags > fee = no > > - 2 nodes > 1º > amenity = vending_machine > vending = excrement_bags > payment: none = yes > > 2º node (a few centimeters from the previous one): > > amenity = waste_basket > > What would be the most correct option? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/83e314e3/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:56:54 -0400 > From: Bryan Housel <[email protected]> > To: osm-tagging <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to map a bin with dog excrement bags > dispenser > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2 nodes, please! > It makes things much easier for iD, or any other data consumer that needs to match features to tag presets. > related thread on iD: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4191#issuecomment-318943309 < https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4191#issuecomment-318943309> > > Thanks! Bryan > > > > On Oct 10, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Alejandro Moreno <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > In Spain it is common to find litter bins that have attached a dog excrement bags dispenser. In Talk-es discussed how to map these bins [ https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html < https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html>] and we did not reach a conclusion. > > > > There are 2 opinions: > > - 1 node with tags > > amenity = waste_basket > > vending = excrement_bags > > fee = no > > > > - 2 nodes > > 1º > > amenity = vending_machine > > vending = excrement_bags > > payment: none = yes > > > > 2º node (a few centimeters from the previous one): > > > > amenity = waste_basket > > > > What would be the most correct option? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/b963d1ea/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:18:19 +0200 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Fwd: How to map a bin with dog excrement bags > dispenser > Message-ID: > < cabptjtclguw0zx-sd_ocx7stfltwcmmdgmhsaqxkyf+7kud...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2017-10-10 15:42 GMT+02:00 Alejandro Moreno <[email protected]>: > > > Hi, > > > > In Spain it is common to find litter bins that have attached a dog > > excrement bags dispenser. In Talk-es discussed how to map these bins [ > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html] > > and we did not reach a conclusion. > > > > There are 2 opinions: > > - 1 node with tags > > amenity = waste_basket > > vending = excrement_bags > > fee = no > > > > - 2 nodes > > 1º > > amenity = vending_machine > > vending = excrement_bags > > payment: none = yes > > > > 2º node (a few centimeters from the previous one): > > > > amenity = waste_basket > > > > What would be the most correct option? > > > > > > As you ask for a "most" correct option, and as you write it is a dispenser, > "vending" doesn't seem the right term for this (nor does "machine"). > Although it is documented, payment:none doesn't make sense any way in > combination with "vending". > > This aside, I'd use 2 nodes (objects) and not combine several things into > one object, even if it is all attached to one pole. > You might consider using the node relation: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Node but to be > honest, I don't think it is evaluated by someone at this time. > > Cheers, > Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/4313ab07/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 14:40:41 +0000 > From: marc marc <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Fwd: How to map a bin with dog excrement bags > dispenser > Message-ID: > < vi1p190mb03849f2d7982d3b28598a4c6b7...@vi1p190mb0384.eurp190.prod.outlook.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, > > Le 10. 10. 17 à 15:42, Alejandro Moreno a écrit : > > In Spain it is common to find litter bins that have attached a dog > > excrement bags dispenser. > it look like you have 3 questions in one :) > > one easy : > fee=no <> payment:none=yes > payment:*=* is useful when you need to add several > payment but when it is free, you 'll never have > another payment:* tag. > so imho free=yes is better > > the main question : > it is a waste_basket or vending_machine ? > the main function is related to bags. > the bin is useful only after you get a bag. > if you don't have a bag, you can not use the dedicated bin. > therefore the few that I have taged have : > amenity = vending_machine > vending = excrement_bags > bin=yes
> > one node <> 2 nodes : > for me, one node is enough/better because the bin is related > to the vending_machine like a coffee machine with a bin > where you put coffee cup after use. > But if you still use 2 nodes, it is no need to move one away. > it like tagging for rendering and except for a very high zoom, > the rendering will in any case display only one. > This brings us back to the previous question: if rendering display only > one, which one ? if I see a vending machine on the map, I can expect to > have a trash nearby. by displaying a trash, I have no idea if a vending > machine exist nearby. > > Regards, > Marc > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:03:39 +0200 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Fwd: How to map a bin with dog excrement bags > dispenser > Message-ID: > <CABPTjTDCewALkBs_CbgdSr= [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2017-10-10 16:40 GMT+02:00 marc marc <[email protected]>: > > > the main question : > > it is a waste_basket or vending_machine ? > > the main function is related to bags. > > the bin is useful only after you get a bag. > > if you don't have a bag, you can not use the dedicated bin. > > therefore the few that I have taged have : > > amenity = vending_machine > > vending = excrement_bags > > bin=yes > > > > in case it is a dedicated bin you are right. Around here, these are all > usual bins and you can throw "anything" into them, not just poo. Nowadays > (and where I can tell), people walking their dog usually have a bag with > them, so even if the bin would be dedicated to dog poo, they still could > use it. On the other hand, AFAIK you can throw your dog's poo also in any > other non-dedicated bin. > If we look how many people are possibly looking for dog poo bag dispensers > (all dog owners), these are significantly fewer than those potentially > looking for a bin (everybody). But if you imagine how many people will use > a map (cellphone, app, etc.) to look for a bin, and how many for a poo bag > dispenser, it seems more likely that the latter case happens (unless you > are in a low waste bin density area). Some mappers will prefer focussing on > mapping generic infrastructure, other will prefer mapping things > specifically for animal owners, and both have good arguments on their side. > > I don't think the "main function" discourse will bring us any further, we > have had this in the past (and it brought us "path" ;-) ), and we've moved > away from it for a reason. The "main function" depends on you and on your > life. > > No need to add to tag fragmentation by creating new properties for > indirectly mapping things, better use dedicated objects for things and map > them explicitly, this removes ambiguity and makes it easier to amend them > with more detail later. > > Cheers, > Martin The main function is as bin and you can throw "anything" into them. You can see examples in [ http://www.forjasestilo.es/images/easyblog_images/52/DSC05581.jpg ] and [ https://www.ajuntamentimpulsa.cat/FitxersWeb/11187/OMNIUM%20papelera.jpg ]. Cheers, Alex
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