Hi Adam, This thread came into existance after questions to use from people actually working with the emergency services to improve routing for them. There is a real issue to solve. Basically, emergency services can often ignore many laws of traffic, but there are some exceptions. Especially in the case of barriers there is a lot of room for confusion. They might be an actual unmovable physical barrier, or something that certain services can operate.
2017-10-31 11:44 GMT+01:00 Adam Snape <[email protected]>: > Might access tags for emergency service personnel be a solution for a > non-existant problem? Are there really many places which the emergency > services are explicitly legally prohibited from accessing? > > Adam > > On 31 October 2017 at 09:00, joost schouppe <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Mateusz, >> >> Of course a single bad link is not enough. I also didn't realize how many >> objects are already tagged with emergency=yes. >> >> I've never liked the way access is implied on all the specific tags, >> where we write access:bicycle as bicycle. IMHO, it makes the tagging scheme >> more complicated to understand for a new mapper. >> Since emergency can be used in two different ways, it makes it harder to >> get an idea of what values are used in the access sence and which in the >> amenity sense. Theoretically, you could have a road which has both some >> sensible emergency-amenity AND emergency-access. I haven't seen many of >> those though, e.g. I guess you could consider a road also tagged as an >> ambulance_station or a coastal_defence as simple mistakes. >> >> Looking at the values used in the context of emergency, I do think >> there's need for some decent documentation. The general access values don't >> mention things like ambulance, fire_fighters, fire_truck etc.). In the >> spirit of other access tags, I suppose these should rather be ambulance=yes >> instead of emergency=ambulance. >> >> 2017-10-31 9:26 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny <[email protected]>: >> >>> *separate section for meaning >>> >>> >>> On 31 Oct 2017 8:24 a.m., "Mateusz Konieczny" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Single bad link on wiki is not a good reason for mass edit worldwide, >>> changing all editors, changing all data consumers, changing habits of all >>> users using this tag, introducing confusing and unusual prefix (it is not >>> like OSM tagging scheme requires more confusing things) and changing all >>> pages on wiki describing this tag. >>> >>> Just fix the bad link, separate section four meaning as an access tag >>> makes sense. >>> >>> On 30 Oct 2017 11:08 a.m., "joost schouppe" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On the access page, there is a described use for emergency=* . However, >>>> when you click through, you get to a page to a tag that describes all sorts >>>> of amenities related to emergency. >>>> >>>> Would this be a reason to retag emergency when related to access as the >>>> implied tag access:emergency=*, and then make a new wiki page about >>>> access:emergency ? Or would it be enough to add a section to the >>>> emergency=* wiki page to explain that it can ALSO be used as an implied >>>> access:emergency tag? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joost Schouppe >>>> OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | >>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup >>>> <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tagging mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Joost Schouppe >> OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | >> Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn >> <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup >> <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/>
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