20-11-2017 14:03 tarihinde Martin Koppenhoefer yazdı: > > > 2017-11-20 11:04 GMT+01:00 Erkin Alp Güney <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > > > What about dance / music (singing / instruments, ...) / schools? > > Academies? Conservatories? Professional schools? > education=specialty > > > > I'm not convinced. Why is there an education=driving or > administrative, but an academy of fine arts (similar to a university) > or conservatory (might be similar to a university) go into the same > category as a dance school (could be several levels, from the hobbyist > leisure dance school to professional preparation) or the music school > kids go 1 time a week? This seems complete arbitrary. > IMHO a good proposal should not need a "catch-all" tag for the rest > (i.e. what wasn't thought of earlier) which basically shifts > meaningful tagging into a subtag. If we already undertake the step to > create a new top level key just for education, all cases should fit > into the same scheme (i.e. if there is education=driving, there should > also be education=dancing or education=gliding, but this would mean > "education" is about the topic, and not about the level which would be > implied by terms like "university" or "graduate" or "vocational"). Advanced driving education programs in universities should be tagged like other faculties. I understand that this proposal is weak in further education aspect. I am going to add more values about further education. > > It should be clear, what the meaning of the "education" tags is (kind > of classification/criterion). Level of education? Field of studies? > Then there should be subtags with distinct meaning that cater each for > a property (which must be isolated/defined). > > I would also expect suggestions for several more details that aren't > covered yet, e.g. male, female / both-(etc.), mixed age classes or not > or maybe even both (e.g. relevant for kindergarten), etc. > Going to add these. > What about the kind of specialization for general-education (e.g. > classical education (latin and greek), scientific, artistic, etc.)? > > There's not much about a rationale, e.g. what do you consider "all > educational facilities/institutions" and based on which criterion? > E.g. what about a shooting club, aren't people going there to learn > how to safely handle a gun, and how to use it / improve their ability? > Similar things can be said about a lot of clubs / associations. When > does it fall under "education"? This ambiguity together with instances > like "university" (not just education) are the reason it could be > generally worth to question a restructuring under a new "education" > key according to this criterion. > > > > > Subtags how to tag the specialization (if any), about the degress you > > can get, institutes and faculties, etc.). > These tags already exist. Institutes and faculties are now covered in > "how to tag universities and mixed campuses" section of the proposal. > > > > it may be my cultural background, but I would not use the term > "school" for parts of a university. > The new relation type=institution remains mysterious, there are 7 > instances of it in the db, but no documentation whatsoever. Is this a > kind of "collection"? Can't we use a standard relation like > "multipolygon" or "site" (ok, there's the common problem with > universities that they have many different locations, often even > single faculties have different locations, and it would be desirable > to have a method to connect e.g. 2 site relations to one entity, I > think sometimes we are doing this with operator and name tags, but it > is not very reliable or consistent, something should indeed be > introduced). Is "institution" only used for educational features? It > would probably merit a whole new proposal. > If college is "obsolete", does this mean colleges should be tagged as > universities? Yes, it is a collection. OpenStreetMap tagging should allow quick searches on particular kinds of places. University colleges will now be members of university relations and their buildings will be tagged education=school+school_level=tertiary. Maybe even nested relations for colleges if it has more than one campus. > > What about police schools, or military schools? Are those handled with > a "military" (e.g.) property on a university or vocational school > element, or are they new main values? > > Cheers, > Martin > They are usually in restricted access areas (student and staff only). One cannot create a detailed map of these without the help of government. military=school or education=university for building of those you can map.
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