@marc: I just realized - I'm not talking about breaking words between syllables but about breaking lines between words. It is not adding a character, just using a nonbreakable version of a space. Sorry if I'm not being clear.
On 26 January 2018 at 16:47, Matej Lieskovský <lieskovsky.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > In Czech, a nonbreakable space should follow any single-letter > preposition or conjunction and academic or military titles. A > nonbreakable space should also be used due to some common > contractions, between a number and a unit, and around some punctuation > marks. > > I noticed that some Overpass queries were not returning some elements > - that is how I found out that we actually have a rather large number > of nonbreakable spaces in the data. > > Nonbreakable spaces are currently quite troublesome - not all > consumers actually use Unicode collation, it is invisible in JOSM and > it is not exactly easy to input. Also, the chance that we convince all > contributors to use it correctly is exactly zero. Along with this > potentially being "tagging for the renderer", there are many calls for > a mass-removal. > > On the other hand, there is software that actually handles Unicode > collation well and it does make the correct rendering of names an > order of magnitude easier. Leaving this up to the renderer sounds > logical, but imagine forcing every renderer to figure out what > language any given name is in and then running the appropriate > subprogram to fill in the nonbreakable spaces. This could require > semantic analysis due to the need to add a nonbreakable space after > the "V" in "V jámě" (preposition) but before the "V" in "Jiří V." > (roman ordinal number) and after the "V." in "V. Špidla" (contraction > of name (and yes, there are cases when you should use a contraction)). > > Nonbreakable spaces are strange - you cannot reliably tell if they are > used OTG (but in some cases you can), official documents often ignore > them (leaving them up to the automated systems in office software, so > they do occur sometimes) and the rules governing them are older than > computers, so asking if they are a rule or a character is... dubious. > > And yes, we do have really long names of things. Names of POIs named > after people are a common use case. > > Matej > > On 26 January 2018 at 16:11, marc marc <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Le 26. 01. 18 à 15:48, Matej Lieskovský a écrit : >>> Several Slavic languages have rather formal rules about line breaks. >> >> it depends on whether it is a grammar rule or a "char". >> In French, it is a rule to know how to cut a word at the end of a line. >> Since it's a grammar rule, I don't see any point in adding a character >> between syllables to describe it. it's up to the render >> to know when it can do it if ppl wants this feature. >> I know nothing about your language, but I feel it look like the same. >> If my understanding is correct, I am in favour of not putting >> this "nonbreakable" information into a value and moving it to app code >> that need it (witch ? have you so long value that's needed to break it >> in several line ?) >> >> Regards, >> Marc >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
