What about foot tram routes? Should they be mapped?
06-05-2018 11:51 tarihinde Selfish Seahorse yazdı: > Hi, > > Like Martin, I think the public transport scheme should not be used > here, because a walking bus is neither a form of transport nor is it > really public. > > > On 6 May 2018 at 09:45, Lorenzo Stucchi <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Hi, >> I’m sorry for the error that I made using the old Public Transport scheme, >> so according to what was proposed before I correct the page proposing the >> tag: walikingbus=yes to be used with public_transport=platform like was now >> proposed in the page >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Walkingbus_stop >> >> Thanks and sorry again for my mistake >> Hi, >> LorenzoStucchi >> >> Date: Sun, 6 May 2018 12:28:09 +1000 >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: "'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools'" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Well, but based on your description, these are not planned routes in any >> way. They are purely transient emergent behaviour based on the fact that a >> lot of people want to move between these two points, and this is the obvious >> way to go. >> >> Take the people away, and the phenomenon disappears. This is not something >> that does not exist on its own. >> >> A bus route, a foot or hiking route, or a walking bus route on the other >> hand all exist even in the absence of people There are stops with signs, >> guiding signs, brochures showing the route... The route is planned and >> documented, and (at least till someone changes the planning) operate and >> exist even in the absence of people using them. >> >> The only thing that exist of what you describe is the environment that >> promotes this particular emergent behaviour, like the pedestrian zone sign, >> and these can and should obviously be mapped. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Erkin Alp Güney <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:59 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop >> >> Not really transient and some routes can be over 500m in length. For >> example, in Karşıyaka, more than 100 people/min/sq-m walks following >> Bahriye Üçok Boulevard (western sidewalk only) and Kemalpaşa Avenue >> (pedestrianised during the day and evening, pedestrian priority >> otherwise, marked by a pedestrian zone sign) between Karşıyaka >> Underground Car Parking and "Hergele Meydanı" (all comers' square). >> >> >> 05-05-2018 17:51 tarihinde [email protected] yazdı: >> >> If they are unmarked on the ground, are they documented somewhere? >> >> Or is it simply a case of "this is a common route a lot of people >> >> walk >> >> during certain times as there is a strong flow of people from A to >> >> B >> >> and this is the most commonly used route"? (In which case they >> >> aren't >> >> really something that exists as an entity of it's own and are only >> >> a >> >> transient event, though maybe a commonly reoccurring one.) >> >> In either case, it doesn't sound like a "walking bus" at all. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Erkin Alp Güney <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:09 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop >> >> No, foot tram routes are unmarked but you can easily join one by >> following the crowd. Normal foot routes have guiding signs. >> >> >> 05-05-2018 17:05 tarihinde [email protected] >> >> yazdı: >> >> Without a "driver", fixed "stops" and a defined schedule, that >> >> sounds more like what's currently already mapped using >> >> route=foot >> >> relations? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Erkin Alp Güney <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:28 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Walkingbus_stop >> >> We also have walking bus routes in Turkey but without drivers. >> >> We >> >> call them "tabanvay", foot tram. You can have very crowded >> >> walking >> >> bus routes in peak times, especially in pedestrian road >> >> networks. >> >> >> >> 05-05-2018 15:59 tarihinde [email protected] >> >> yazdı: >> >> If there are actual poles and stop signs, you can only “board” >> >> at >> >> these places and at specific times, and the “driver” stays >> >> with >> >> the >> >> group from the first to the last stop, then yeah, I can see >> >> this >> >> as >> >> being very different from a “school crossing guard” which >> >> generally >> >> stays at one specific crossing and controls the traffic there. >> >> And >> >> under these conditions, I think the term “platform” as it is >> >> used >> >> in >> >> PTv2 does apply to the position of the poles. >> >> >> >> *From:*Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 May 2018 22:42 >> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools >> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - >> >> Walkingbus_stop >> >> >> >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> >> On 4. May 2018, at 22:34, Johnparis <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Please DO follow Thorsten's suggestion and follow PTv2, >> >> mapping >> >> the stops as nodes alongside the street/way (not on it) in >> >> the >> >> proper direction. Tag each one: >> >> walking_bus=yes >> >> public_transport=platform >> >> >> >> >> >> is walking really a kind of “public transport”? Are we going >> >> to >> >> tag >> >> places as public transport platforms where people are waiting >> >> for >> >> someone else to accompany them for walking somewhere? >> >> >> >> To me “walking bus” seems just a new buzzword for a service >> >> that >> >> has >> >> been in existence for a long time (school crossing guards) and >> >> that >> >> was never considered public transport until someone proclaimed >> >> it >> >> could be seen as kind of “bus” but without a vehicle ;-) >> >> >> >> I don’t think it shouldn’t be tagged, but I don’t see it as >> >> public >> >> transport either, particularly I don’t believe we should use >> >> the >> >> term >> >> platform in context of this kind of service >> >> >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Tagging Digest, Vol 104, Issue 17 >> **************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
