(previous conversations heavily edited)
On 28/11/2018 10:49, Rory McCann wrote:
On 28/11/2018 06:39, Johnparis wrote:
... Finally, is there some reason you want to create a competing
proposal? I don't have any knowledge of two competing proposals being
discussed at the same time; would they be followed by two votes? I
thought the idea was to reach consensus.
Yes this can appear a little snarky, that's not my intent. I half
heartely suggested this idea 2 years ago (
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-May/029211.html
), but abandoned it.
As you know, recent events mean OSM should have an answer to this.
We'll talk and discuss and surely we can come to consensus.
Personally at this stage I'd suggest keeping things simple, and
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ClaimedBorders is
certainly simpler than
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mapping_disputed_boundaries
. Some of the definition in Mapping_disputed_boundaries is useful, but
some might need clarifying (I'm thinking of the "De facto borders" and
"Default borders" definitions, which if I read correctly is just
defining some of what we currently do). I suspect that the idea of
"OSM-designated borders" might meet some opposition, even though we
effectively have those in a few places. The former Western Sahara is an
example; attempts to claim that Morocco has control over all of the
former Western Sahara have been reverted, but attempts to better map the
wall (which is visible from imagery) have been welcomed.
As I understand it, the broad requirements of both proposals are similar
- in a case with two claims over an area you'd get either two extra
relations (in the case of Crimea) or only one (Serbia/Kosovo). The new
relations will be large (relations the size of a country, however you
define that, tend to be) and may be subject to breakage as current
admin_level=2 relations are (those are monitored by e.g.
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=728103#p728103 ).
It'd be good to get something into the OSM data that represents these
claims so that we can provide fully worked examples to people who want
to render particular sets of borders, the same as we do for people who
want to create maps in a particular language.
Best Regards,
Andy
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