In OSM a neighborhood is a named part of a larger settlement, usually a town or suburb or city, though in Indonesia some “desa” (villages) consist of a dozen named “kampung” (neighborhoods).
Suburbs are also considered parts of larger towns or cities. So a city can be divided into a dozen suburbs, each of which is divided into a half-dozen neighborhoods On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:19 AM Allan Mustard <[email protected]> wrote: > Very interesting. In the Turkmen case, the classifications are defined in > law and involve both size (though population data are secret) and type of > governance structure (for full details please see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turkmenistan#Administrative_Structure). > > > Is it fair to call a settlement a "neighbourhood" when it has a governance > structure (a village council with a chair who serves effectively as the > municipal manager/mayor)? In my experience a "neighbourhood" lacks any > sort of governance structure aside from (sometimes) Neighborhood Watch. > > apm-wa > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 7:32 PM Joseph Eisenberg < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Those municipalities are relations of type=boundary and >> boundary=administrative with an appropriate admin_level, no? >> >> These are different from the OSM settlements, which are mapped as a node >> at the center of a city, town, village, hamlet or isolated dwelling or farm. >> >> While the pages suggest certain population ranges for each of these >> settled places, in the past they were defined by available services in >> England. A city had a cathedral or university, a town had a (full-time) >> marketplace, a village had a church, and a hamlet was too small for its own >> church but had more than one family. That’s the historic basis for the OSM >> system, though in modern times the standards are less certain. >> >> I suspect this sort of classification can work even in places that do not >> have good population figures available, like where I map in Indonesia. For >> example: >> >> a farm or isolated dwelling has only 1 or 2 households, a hamlet has a >> few families but no services (maybe there is a tiny kiosk or a very small >> place of worship) >> >> A village has some services but only for the local community; people do >> not travel to a village to go shopping, except from the closest farms or >> hamlets. Probably there is a primary school, certainly there is some sort >> of place of worship. >> >> A town is a significant local destination. People from the surrounding >> hamlets and villages will go to the nearest town to buy clothing, tools, >> specialty foods and other necessities. There may be some cultural and >> entertainment options, and usually some level of government services. Towns >> always have secondary education (high schools) in the countries that I have >> visited. >> >> A city has all this as well as major healthcare and educational >> institutions, and is often as administrative center for businesses, >> organizations (NGOs, religious) and local government. People travel to >> cities from the whole surrounding region, including from towns, for >> business, entertainment, cultural facilities etc. generally a city should >> have just about all of the services that a middle-class person would use >> (though the rich may need to go to larger cities for some specialty and >> luxury services - OSM doesn’t have a special class for large cities or >> global cities however) >> >> By population a hamlet has less than 1000 residents (often less than >> 100), and a city has over 50,000 (usually over 100,000), but the population >> cut-offs vary by region. >> >> A very isolated settlement may still qualify as a town with a relatively >> small population if it has the only high school, government office, >> supermarket and airport on a large island, for example - in this case the >> whole population of the island comes to the town for services even if they >> do not live there, so I would be comfortable tagging a settlement of 4000 >> people as a town on an island with 200,000 people but no other settlements >> over 1000 people in size. >> >> This is how I tag places in eastern Indonesia, where many villages and >> towns are very isolated. Perhaps this is similar in your country? >> >> But in a densely populated region, like Java (where there are 120,000 >> million people on one island), even a settlement with 20,000 people might >> just be a conglomeration of farming villages that hardly qualifies as a >> town, and a town could grow to 200,000 residents and still lack any >> characteristics of a city. >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:46 AM Allan Mustard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Looking for some guidance here from the tagging experts. Please see the >>> dispute section on the Turkmenistan wiki discussion page >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Turkmenistan#Disputed:_Suggested_Place_Tags_for_Administrative_Subdivisions >>> >>> The nub is that I advocate classifying Turkmenistan's municipalities >>> based on their official status according to the host government (see the >>> wiki article Districts in Turkmenistan). Another mapper, Aka_Bob, >>> disagrees and insists that there are OSM guidelines based on population (I >>> note that the OSM place=village article says a village can have up to >>> 10,000 population, which in the United States is laughable--that would be a >>> town or a city). Aka_Bob edited that section of the wiki article >>> unilaterally without first consulting local mappers. I have no intention >>> of entering into an edit war, but rather want to take this out to the >>> community for discussion. >>> >>> I'd like to hear what people think. Opening classification of Turkmen >>> muncipalities to free interpretation rather than a standard official >>> classification strikes me as a recipe for chaos, particularly since >>> official population data have not been published for over a decade (the >>> 2012 and 2017 censuses were made secret) but maybe that's just me. What do >>> you think? >>> >>> Best regards and Happy New Year to all! >>> >>> apm-wa >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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