On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 22:17, Paul Allen <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 08:24, Dave Swarthout <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I appreciate your efforts on this, Graeme, believe me. >> > Thanks!
> However, seeing as motorhome and recreational_vehicle are so similar, I >> would use motorhome as a top-level tag with RVs being a special type of >> motorhome >> > But sorry, if anything I'd swap that around with R_V at the top then caravans & motorhomes as sub's. It's a bit hard to say which would be the best way to go? If you search "types of R-V", you get what was mentioned earlier : caravans, camper trailers, motorhomes, camper vans, 5th wheelers etc. Search "types of motorhome" & its A, B, C, campervans. "Types of caravan" = caravan, 5th wheeler, pop-top & other towed options, so RV would appear to be the best overall term (I'll get to "mobile homes" in a moment). But when you look at established usage in OSM, there are 82 shop=caravan, with ~50 in Europe, 20 in US / Canada & 10 in Australia; 16 shop=motorhome (2 US, 1 Canada, rest in Europe); 7 shop=rv in US / Canada & 3 shop=recreational_vehicles (2 US, 1 France), so shop=caravan would appear to be the accepted option by a long way (even in the US!) and have a separate shop=mobile_home page. >> > I think this may be the best option, with a cross-reference between the two > Mobile_home covers the odd case of the wheeled structure that is usually >> installed semi-permanently in a trailer park >> > > I won't bother giving the links again, but Wikipedia (yes, I know) uses > "mobile home" as an > encompassing term for trailers/touring caravans/RVs/everything that can be > lived in and can be > moved. > Paul. I'm not saying you're wrong, & yes, I'll agree that wikipedia does, but when you do a general search for "Types of mobile home", most of the results from the US, UK & Australia discuss semi-permanent or static homes on site eg https://inspectapedia.com/Design/Building_Construction_Definitions.php https://www.lifesure.co.uk/blog/2012/05/buying-a-mobile-home-what-to-consider/ https://www.mobilehomesell.com/types-of-mobile-homes/ Interestingly "mobile home" in the US, apparently only applies to something built before 1976 - after then, they're "manufactured homes" There are currently only 7 uses of shop=mobile_home in OSM - 6 US & 1 Germany & only 1 =manufactured_homes, in the US Which accords well with the meaning of the words "mobile" and "home." > > I'll also note that at various times, people in this thread have given > names to types of mobile > home that are used in various countries and that in most of those lists > "mobile home" does > not appear as a specific ctegory. I'll also note that the various > all-encompassing terms that > many have proposed, such as your own "motorhome" DO appear in those lists > as specific > types of mobile home. > > But what the hey, let;'s go against the literal meaning of the words, > let's ignore what is used in > practice by the industry in various countries and let's change existing > wiki definitions because > reasons. And, while we're at it, let's change the two pertinent Wikipedia > pages to match our > alternative reality. > How's it put? (was mentioned again only a week or so ago but I've forgotten the exact wording) - in OSM, words mean their OSM definition, not necessarily what they mean in the real world! Thanks Graeme
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