On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 4:58 AM Mark Wagner <mark+...@carnildo.com> wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 17:52:19 -0300 > Fernando Trebien <fernando.treb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:46 AM Mark Wagner <mark+...@carnildo.com> > > wrote: > > > When you did your query for hamlets, I'm afraid you ran headlong > > > into a quirk of American political geography. Historically, the > > > postal service would only deliver mail to buildings within a > > > certain distance of a post office, while people further away would > > > be responsible for visiting the post office to pick their mail up. > > > As a result, it was quite common for a group of farmers or ranchers > > > to get together and have themselves declared a community in order > > > to get a post office. > > > > Pardon my ignorance, do those hamlets typically correspond to OSM's > > description (100-200 inhabitants), in contrast with other possible > > values (place=locality for no inhabitants, place=isolated_dwelling for > > less than 3 households)? I'm seeing from Bing imagery that Osborne > > Corner has several households, as does Nille Corner. They are close to > > the generic threshold for being considered isolated dwellings, but > > still pass. I'm not familiar with the exact details of how place=* is > > assigned in the US. In Brazil we still use the "generic" rules for > > place=* (even though I've tried pushing the adoption of our national > > Geography Institute's criteria). > > I'd estimate the Nilles Corner area as having four farmsteads and one > abandoned farmstead, for a total of seven houses. Osborne Corner > appears to have three farmsteads and five houses. I suspect that much > of what you're seeing as "households" are actually farm outbuildings. > > The best way I've found to identify "real" hamlets is the presence of a > cemetery. A group of people who consider themselves a community will > usually have their own cemetery, while a group of people who are filing > paperwork for personal advantage won't. See Anatone[1] (population 48) > or the smaller Lone Pine[2] for examples of a real hamlet.
I think Lone Pine [2] would be interesting to discuss because it doesn't have any major routes linking larger places passing through it. The highways leading to it are currently highway=residential and should probably be highway=unclassified. > Most of them are mis-tagged as residential; I'd consider them to be > unclassified. Some of them, especially the unnamed ones, are probably > tracks. Leahy Road/P Road between WA-17 and Nilles Corner, and Y Road > between WA-174 and Osborne Corner might be tertiary, since they look > like improved collector roads for the farms in the area. Makes sense to me. I'd be more confident about classifying the improved ways as tertiary if these places were closer to the description in the wiki for tertiary (ways that often link smaller towns and villages). > [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/150932853 -- Fernando Trebien _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
