On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 13:52, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Agreed, there are enough tags for public transport already. I don't > think anything new is needed.
My idea was actually to replace the misnamed public_transport=platform with public_transport=stop and to abandon highway=bus_stop and railway=tram_stop as well as public_transport=stop_position. All in all that's not more tags, but three less. Besides, as there were only one element per stop (even if the stop is a platform), public_transport=stop_area would only be necessary at stations. > If there is a platform where buses stop, then there's a bus stop, and > a platform. The platform is a physical feature, and I believe it would > still be a highway=platform even if the bus service were discontinued. I agree, it remains a highway=platform even if it's not operated anymore. But when it's operated, the platform actually represents a bus stop. > [...] > > The ref= should go on whatever of the two features that it actual > refers to: if it's on the bus stop sign or pole, it probably > represents the bus stop, but it might actually refer to the physical > platform and each different bus route that stops there might have a > different ref=* for that bus stop. The number in my example refers to the place where people wait for the buses, for numbers 1–7 this is the platform and for number 8 it is the place on the sidewalk. So, where should i put ref=1 ... ref=7 according to you? On highway=platform, on highway=bus_stop or on both? And which one of them should i add to the route relation? It were a lot easier if there were just one object. > Perhaps sometimes you'll have to add the ref=* to both the stop and > the platform, but that's ok. The public_transport=stop_position + > =platform + stop_area idea often leads to putting the same ref on 3 > different objects. > > In all other situations (rail platforms, regular bus stops without an > elevated platform, tram stops etc), the Refined_Public_Transport > proposal is clearly simpler than using public_transport=* tags, so it > looks like a good option. I find that proposal to be inconsistent and unnecessarily complex. Inconsistent because sometimes highway=bus_stop has to be mapped beside the road and at other times on the road, and because sometimes there is one highway=bus_stop for one stop and at other times there is one highway=bus_stop for two stops. And unnecessarily complex because it not only requires a stop_area, but also a stop_area_group. In contrast, my suggestion would only require stop_area's at stations. Regards Markus _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
