Am 24.08.2019 um 21:03 schrieb Valor Naram: > > Editors won't (in general) implement tags in presets unless they're > widely used. Unless editors and carto support tags, they won't get > widely used, so editors and carto won't support them. Chicken and egg. > > Yes, you're right. But I was the author of "changing_table" and the > guy who lead it throw the proposal process and also Moderator of the > discussion and votes. And contacting all the editors was no problem > and they implemented "changing_table" and deleted "diaper" presets. > See JSOM, OSMand, Vespucci and also iD. My effort shows that working > together with different groups works.
A) at least I didn't "delete" the diaper preset. B) you are confusing the decision that something is too silly to argue about, with agreement. > > I would highly appreciate it when you give me a chance. In real life > people are revelling their secrets to me because they trust me and I > give them the feeling of being accepted as they are. It includes my > talks with people from different worlds. More-Than-One-World Secrets. > This connection I can try to create also among OSM folks (societies). > That is seriously OT. > Best regards > > Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purpose > From: Paul Allen > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > CC: > > > > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 17:06, Valor Naram <valin...@gmx.net > <mailto:valin...@gmx.net>> wrote: > > > In my opinion this is a topic we should consider working on > and creating a wikipage to describe the "defragemtation" > process in general. > > > Doing so is probably not going to achieve much. First we need to > defragment OSM itself. > It doesn't matter what wonderful tags we come up with here, if > carto refuses to render them > then they won't get used. It doesn't matter what wonderful tags > we come up with here, if editors > don't implement them as presets they won't get used. > > Carto won't (in general) render a tag unless it's widely used. > Editors won't (in general) > implement tags in presets unless they're widely used. Unless > editors and carto support > tags, they won't get widely used, so editors and carto won't > support them. Chicken and egg. > > There are complications (of course). Carto (in general) refuses > to implement aliases, so > whatever the merits of deprecating landuse=grass in favour of > landcover=grass, carto will > refuse to render landcover=grass. Editors don't (in general) like > implementing aliases > either. So however much we wish to try to fix bad tags, which are > frequently misused > because the name or value was a bad choice, it probably won't > happen. Some editors > occasionally decide they'll ignore the list, the wiki, and carto, > and go their own way > (sometimes they get their way and sometimes they get a slap on the > wrist). > > So what we need at this stage is not a defragmentation process but > joined-up thinking > between the various groups. I'm not holding my breath on that one. > > -- > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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