Thanks for the comments, Volker!
On 10.11.19 22:09, Volker Schmidt wrote:
Looked at the proposal.
It's a spiny set of issues.
I would discourage electrical_bicycle as this is form the start
ambiguous in many jurisdictions: both pedelecs and S-pedelecs are
electric bicycles and in many jurisdictions these two are treated very
differently.
I asked several international OSM contributors about the term 'pedelec'
and it turned out this term isn't as widespread as it seemed to me. Most
people were familiar with 'electric bicycle' but didn't hear the word
'pedelec' before.
I don't really like the idea to introduce both 'electric_bicycle' as a
generic term and 'pedelec', 'speed_pedelec' as more narrow tags in case
we need to be specific.
In most EEU counties I believe pedelecs are treated like bicycles and
S-pedelecs as mofas or light motorcycles. So for these two vehicles we
do not need new access tags. They are covered by existing tags.
Correct. At this moment I didn't encounter any specific rules for these
vehicles. Some legislature will for sure come up with them pretty soon...
"scooter" is problematic as it has many different types of uses.
* The first vehicle type that comes in mind as "scooters" are Vespa
scooters that come with different motorizations and therefore can
fall in different categories from mofa to motorcycle.
Exactly - that's why I kept them outside of this proposal. If we get to
larger vehicles, tagging gets more and more complicated due to the vast
amount of vehicle classes that exist. We need a more generic tagging
scheme to add the feature 'electric' to any of these classes, but this
will need a lot more discussion.
* Then here motor-less "kick-scooters"
* And then there are "electrical scooters", for which I believe many
countries have not yet developed rules.
Hence the keys "scooter" and "electric_scooter" are out for me.
I'm aware of this ambiguity. However, the term 'scooter' is already
widespread as a tag. If you have a better name, I'm happy to change it.
The above argumentation is about the legal access use.
However it could be argued that for tag classifiers the story is different:
e.g. "service:electric_bicycle="seems to be a perfect description for
places that service electrical-bicycle-like vehicles, i.e. pedelecs and
S pedelecs and electricalscooters.
That's exactly where I currently see most use of these tags.
Jan
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