Hello, 1) free_water=yes if it is available to anybody, and free_water=customers is very confusing and people will mis-tag free water for paying customers as free_water=yes
This model is used for many other tags in OSM. One of the most fundamental tags, access=*, uses it to show "access only for customers" for example. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dcustomers . free_water=customers would not look out of place at all in that list. >>> It may be OSM compatible but doesn't seem optimal and our crowdsource model may bring newbies tagging incorrectly cafes and bars. How about free_water_refill=yes free_water_table=yes ? What is the character count permissible for tags ? Here are the instructions for adding new fountains in 6 languages. Written with the help of Wikimedia, OSM France, OSM Spain and OSM Switzerland and friends. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project 2) The other dimension that has been mentioned, is "bring your own container" vs. "we supply the container". Something like "container=customer", "container=supplier" or "container=both" perhaps? >>> container=supplier does not allow individuals to carry at all times a reusable water bottle. a) of course an establishment always has the right (and the obligation) to refuse to fill a filthy water bottle. I would also suggest individuals always unscrew the top of the bottle before handing to the barman ... to reduce the possibility of germ contamination. This being said, I can see the usefulness of this tag understand the usefulness of this tag (although we will exclude container=supplier from our application display. Best regards, Stuart > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant > (European Water Project) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 12:18:19 +0100 > From: European Water Project <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, > restaurant > Message-ID: > <CAK= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, > > 1) > free_water=yes if it is available to anybody, and free_water=customers is > very confusing and people will mis-tag free water for paying customers as > free_water=yes > > 2) > yes, amenity=cafe, amenity=bar, amenity=restaurant are just examples. I > wanted to give context for the purpose of the discussion. Our NGO will > contribute to the creation of a network of cafes and restaurants willing to > refill water bottles all over Europe. > > 3) carafe was a suggestion, happy to entertain any more self explicit > suggestions. > > 4) yes, I have had extensive conversations with the Refill headquarters.. > Their board will not entertain an open data model. > > Best regards, > > Stuart > > PS : I hope > > > > > > > > > 6. Re: Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant > > (Jake Edmonds) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:06:58 +0100 (CET) > > From: Mateusz Konieczny <[email protected]> > > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, > > restaurant > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > 13 Jan 2020, 10:42 by [email protected]: > > > > > > > > How about free_water=yes if it is available to anybody, and > > free_water=customers if it is only available to paying customers? > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > And free_water=no for explicit tagging of not providing a free water. > > > > > I assume this could actually apply to all manner of objects, including > > pubs, bus stations, town squares... If so, there is no need to reference > > amenity=cafe etc in the tagging standards, other than as a non-normative > > illustration or example. > > > > > Though I am unsure whatever tagging town square with mapped > > amenity=drinking_water is a good idea. > > > > > > > Referencing carafe is not a good plan; firstly that is the container, > > not the contents and this proposal is about the contents. Secondly, many > > other things are frequently served in carafes, such as wine. So > > free_carafe=yes may end up disappointing a few people... > > > > > And water is not always served in a carafe. > > > > And as bonus this tag is significantly less clear in meaning (even > > "carafe" word > > is among rare ones, more likely to be unknown). > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20200113/ecab19bc/attachment-0001.htm > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 11:58:34 +0100 > > From: Jake Edmonds <[email protected]> > > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, > > restaurant > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I’ve heard of places not refilling water bottles due to hygiene reasons > > (whether that is a concern or not is a separate discussion) but will > give a > > glass of water to whoever asks. And on the opposite side, there are > places > > that will refill bottles but won’t give a glass a water. > > > > > On 13 Jan 2020, at 11:06, Mateusz Konieczny <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > 13 Jan 2020, 10:42 by [email protected]: > > > How about free_water=yes if it is available to anybody, and > > free_water=customers if it is only available to paying customers? > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > And free_water=no for explicit tagging of not providing a free water. > > > I assume this could actually apply to all manner of objects, including > > pubs, bus stations, town squares... If so, there is no need to reference > > amenity=cafe etc in the tagging standards, other than as a non-normative > > illustration or example. > > > Though I am unsure whatever tagging town square with mapped > > > amenity=drinking_water is a good idea. > > > > > > Referencing carafe is not a good plan; firstly that is the container, > > not the contents and this proposal is about the contents. Secondly, many > > other things are frequently served in carafes, such as wine. So > > free_carafe=yes may end up disappointing a few people... > > > And water is not always served in a carafe. > > > > > > And as bonus this tag is significantly less clear in meaning (even > > "carafe" word > > > is among rare ones, more likely to be unknown). > > > >
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