Hi all RFC on pumping proposal is went really well, with significant progresses made these past weeks thanks to useful comments received (see Talk). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal
Tagging has been adapted to take care of several concerns regarding windpumps, wells and semantic complexity relative to benefits it brings. It is still proposed to discourage pump=powered/manual as they're at least redundant with proposed classification of pumps/drivers technologies. Important distinction between manual and powered pumps is still possible with the help of motion_driver key. I'm now looking for more examples with increased diversity of situations. Due to covid lockdown I'm not able to get pictures of pumps in place. It would be a pleasure to give a try to proposed tagging if someone has existing pictures to challenge it. Wikimedia commons will also be a privileged source of pictures as well. Thank in advance for any additional input, all the best François Le jeu. 19 mars 2020 à 22:51, François Lacombe <[email protected]> a écrit : > Hi Joseph and thank you for such a quick and complete comment session > > That 7 points allowed to change the proposal a bit and include > man_made=windmill, watermill instead of actuator. > Answers are available in Talk : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal > I hope lacks of clarity are now fixed. > In case an answers solve a problem, don't hesitate to use {{Resolved| > comment }} template to close it. > > Again, anyone would be welcome to propose situations involving pumps to > complete example sections. > > All the best > > François > > Le jeu. 19 mars 2020 à 03:27, Joseph Eisenberg <[email protected]> > a écrit : > >> I oppose deprecating pump=powered, pump=manual, and pump=no. This is a >> simple, clear system for use with water wells, and it is widely >> supported. >> >> 1) Clarify use with man_made=water_well >> >> Currently 88% of uses of pump=* are with man_made=water_well (the rest >> are with amenity=drinking_water) and with the 3 values: pump=powered, >> pump=manual, pump=no. This is a simple and intuitive system for >> mapping wells in developing countries and rural areas. >> >> Please clarify if you are asking mappers to add a separate >> man_made=pump feature or if that should only be used when there is no >> man_made=water_well feature. >> >> Why should we drop the use of pump=powered, pump=manual, pump=no? >> Distinguishing pump=powered, pump=manual is easy: you can hear the >> sound of an electric or diesel motor, and a manual pump has an obvious >> handle or similar. And pump=no is a well with a bucket or similar. >> >> 2) How can mappers figure out the technology of the pump? >> How are mappers expected to find out the pump technology mechanism? >> Most pumps are located deep inside the well, or hidden in a service >> building or structure next to the well. And why would this information >> be worth mapping? >> >> 3) Key:actuator >> The proposal mentions: actuator=windmill, actuator=watermill, and >> actuator=beam_engine. What do these have to do with pumps? >> >> The current use of the key actuator is quite rare, but the documented >> values are: actuator=manual, actuator=electric_motor, >> actuator=pneumatic_cylinder, actuator=hydraulic_cylinder - these don't >> seem to have anything to do with windmills and watermills? >> >> What about the exiting tags man_made=windpump, man_made=windmill, >> man_made=watermill? Are you proposing to deprecate these common tags? >> >> (also in the examples "actuator=manual" is mentioned, but it isn't in the >> list) >> >> -- Joseph Eisenberg >> >> On 3/19/20, Joseph Eisenberg <[email protected]> wrote: >> > François, >> > >> > Could you please simplify the "==Proposal==" section and make it 100% >> > clear: >> > >> > 1) What new Keys and Tags (Key=Value) are being approved by the proposal >> > 2) What old Keys and Tags are being deprecated >> > 3) Move the Proposal section to the top, before Rationale, so people >> > will be clear on what the proposal is going to do if it is approved. >> > >> > This is the current "==Proposal==" section. It's not clear what new >> > tags are being proposed and what old tags are being deprecated. >> > >> > >> > "It is proposed to complete OSM tagging for pumps used in any domain >> > with the following tags : >> > >> > man_made=pump >> > pump:output=* >> > pump=* is currenlty established to state if a water well runs with a >> > powered or manual pump (actually how the pump is driven if it exists). >> > We also need a terminology to define the pump technology as many sorts >> > exist in industry. It's then proposed to refurbish this tag with >> > values related to pumps mechnanisms. >> > >> > Devices used to drive pumps (and get water in case of water wells) >> > would be better described with existing actuator=* tag instead of >> > pump. handle=* is also suitable for manual pumps or emergency usage >> > with manual action when power isn't available. >> > This option allows to avoid pump:type=* as well." >> > >> > -- Joseph Eisenberg >> > >> > On 3/19/20, François Lacombe <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Following several discussions last month, including this one: >> >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-February/051385.html >> >> >> >> Here is a proposal regarding pumps, obvious devices we all more or less >> >> know in industries or at home. >> >> This knowledge is useful for water management, water accessibility, >> >> industry moderation, emergency response... >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal >> >> >> >> Classification is based upon Wikipedia community extensive work about >> 15 >> >> different pumping mechanisms. Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure some >> >> technologies are still missing in the proposal. >> >> >> >> It's currently the most ambitious version, including pump=* conversion >> >> for >> >> machine mechanisms and moving driver description to existing actuator=* >> >> Despite a consequent re-tagging effort (on water wells particularly), >> >> here >> >> are some pros arguments : >> >> - Use more appropriate terminology and wider possibilities for drivers >> >> with >> >> actuator=* >> >> - Avoid pump:type (:type doesn't bring any information) >> >> - With 30k occurrences of pump=* and +100k for water wells, there is >> >> still >> >> more wells to qualify than already qualified with pump availability. >> >> >> >> Examples are for now incomplete. It would be great to have at least one >> >> use >> >> case of each value. Feel free to contribute if you have appropriate >> >> pictures. >> >> >> >> Thank in advance for any comment, all the best >> >> >> >> François >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >
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