On Fri, 8 May 2020 at 09:05, s8evq <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, 8 May 2020 08:43:27 -0400, Jarek Piórkowski <[email protected]> > wrote: > > How much discussion do you think should be necessary before voting "I > > oppose, because I think using sub-tags is better"? If someone thinks > > that, they think that. A discussion would just print the arguments > > back and forth. > > If these arguments were given beforehand, perhaps the proposal could have > changed, or opinions could have been changed?
Honestly - I remember following the discussion on this mailing list for a while and my impression was that the arguments _were_ given. These arguments are not a surprise. Here's a version of this exact argument in February: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-February/051250.html Subsequent discussion here is an example of what happened. Some people, _after having read the rationale offered_, think that a separate tag is not warranted. Some people think that it is. You won't win an argument by telling others they're wrong. > I hardly have any experience in proposals and the voting system. But I've > seen 3 proposal so far, where I know the author doesn't want to bring it to > vote, fearing the proposal would be rejected. The rationale behind it: status > Rejected is worse than having the proposal in the "Draft" state forever. > > And then some people in this very thread suggest to just ignore a rejection > and start using it anyway. What's the use of the whole voting system then? > Why even bother writing a proposal in the first place? I'll just do whatever. Yeah I understand. I myself rejected Joseph's suggestion to make a tag I used locally and documented on wiki into a "proposal", because I don't want the hassle. My interpretation is that "approved" is a _lot_ higher status than "in use", precisely because how harsh the proposal process is. That's just I see it being in OSM - you can have in-use tags, locally-accepted tags, and then the "approved" tags are really really accepted (especially those approved after, say, 2012). Failing a proposal isn't a bad thing. Tag what you like. (With some exceptions, like straight-up vandalism or trolltags) --Jarek _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
