On Tuesday 04 August 2020, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > looking at the "bare_soil" proposal I was surprised to read: > > "Any opposition vote without reason or suggestion will not be counted > in the voting process." > > Is that something that we have added by consensus?
I don't think so - but i also think the question is a bit besides the point here. The thing is the whole idea of proposal voting was originally meant as a standardized way to gauge if consensus has been achieved on a tagging question. Consensus does not require unanimity but it requires dissenting voices not being ignored and being integrated into to consensus position, to find the position that enjoys broadest possible support. For that it is of course needed that dissenting voices do not just express their dislike per se but explain why they oppose the idea. Unfortunately the proposal process is often used these days as a mere supermajority vote where the majority can push their uncompromising position against critique - no matter how well founded and well argued that critique might be. That is one of the main reasons why i typically do not vote in tagging proposals. If i criticize a tagging idea i usually have well founded reasons for that. I require these to be either addressed or being convinced with arguments to change my opinion. If that does not happen and a supermajority of voters can decide to ignore objections without engaging in a discussion on the merits and convincing me and other critical voices i am not going to legitimize the process with my participation. It might actually be better to introduce the opposite rule - that yes-votes need to explain why they are willing to dismiss sustained critical voices in the discussion. That would at least avoid people voting yes out of group-think, political allegiance or as a personal favor without having contemplated the merit of the proposal and of voices opposing it. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging