On 2020-08-15 15:15, dktue wrote:
> The main thing is that people often refer to "Talstation" and "Bergstation"
> but this information is not machine-readeable but mostly encoded in the names
> of the stations. My goal ist to make this machine-readeable because it almost
> all cases people can refer to it even if they do not know the station's name.
> It's obvious what's meant in almost every case what I mean when I say
> "Bergstation Mutteralmbahn" [1] even if the station's name doesn't say so
> [2]. So let's put this into machine-readeable tags to enable applications to
> solve a problem not for specialists but for the general map purpose we're
> building.
>
> In my opinion we did have the right discussion and have a very good proposed
> definition with easy values that people with a basic understanding of english
> can understand. Do you agree?
Yes, I agree, provided the values are "top/bottom" or "upper/lower" and
not "head/base". Even "mountain/valley" could be problematic as it
depends on the geography and not simply on the geometry (an end-station
half-way up the mountain, what is that?). The distinction is purely
about the altitude of the end-station relative to the other, not about
whether it is surrounded by shops or rocks.
This will enable a user to select all top-stations for example, or to
label the stations on a given cableway appropriately.
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26746748
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/293382166
>
> Am 15.08.2020 um 15:03 schrieb Colin Smale:
>
> It seems we can't even agree on what question to ask an "expert". @dktue I
> think you started this discussion... What was your intention at the time? Was
> it "how do we identify top/bottom stations on a cable car"? If you ask an
> "expert" you might get an answer involving the project numbers for the build
> phase, or the serial numbers of the pylons. Let's stop looking for even more
> solutions until we have clearly defined the problem. Otherwise you will end
> up with 100 different "solutions" and an argument about which is best. If
> it's about tagging the stations as upper/mid/lower according to their
> altitude and topological location, then we are there already; you should
> prepare a tagging proposal and put it to the vote.
>
> And bear in mind the values should ultimately be meaningful to a normal
> person, not just to a ski lift engineer, and to people with limited English
> (so using French/German/Italian nomenclature for example would not be
> helpful).
>
> On 2020-08-15 14:37, Yves wrote:
>
> Maybe (as always here) we are too few specialists on this list to find the
> right values. I know of two forum funivie.org and remontées-mécaniques.net
> that specialize in the field, but in Italian and French. Does anybody know of
> a similar community, but English speaking?
> Maybe we could have good advice and get a few new mapper's on board.
> Yves
>
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