Hi all Thank you Lukas or this interesting proposal. I second all comments about power physical source and origin distinction : we're dealing with financial flows only. Using source for that may confuse mappers and consumers.
As mentioned on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/electricity:source, original question is not about power source but its origin See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarantee_of_origin (didn't see this link here so far). All the best François Le ven. 2 oct. 2020 à 08:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> a écrit : > In that case you want to tag what is signed, > not actual electricity source. > > marked_as_green_energy=* > > marked_as_renewable_energy=* > > is verifiable and does not require > - impossible for mapper - verification > of an actual energy source > > > 29 wrz 2020, 22:28 od lrich...@posteo.de: > > Hi Colin, > > I agree that while a few suppliers source all of their electricity from > renewable sources, most simply add a surcharge which is used to fund the > growth of renewable energy infrastructure and price the electricity as if > it were coming from solely renewable energy sources. I'm working on an > article for Wikipedia that will explain green pricing tariffs in detail as > this seems to be lacking in English. > > Arguing if the definiton of 'green electricity' is actually 'green' is not > the point, this is already a term that is explicitly advertised at the > charging stations or camp sites (see images in proposal) and also something > that consumers look for as they want to fund renewable energies in the hope > that all grid energy will be completely 'renewable' in future. While this > obviously won't be for at least 15-50 years depending on who you ask, I > think it is a worthwhile attribute to map as some people are conscious of > what types of electricity generation they wish to support. > > Best, Lukas > > > On 29/09/2020 16:56, Colin Smale wrote: > > Hi Lukas, > > You do realise that all electricity is the same, irrespective of how it is > generated? The "greenness" or otherwise is not determined by the > connection, but by the subscription/contract that the consumer has with > their supplier. > > UNLESS they have a standalone generating capability, like PV or wind > turbine that is not connected to the grid. > > On 2020-09-29 16:00, Lukas Richert wrote: > > Hi, > > I'd like to propose a new tag that defines the source of publicly > available electricity: electricity:source > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity:source> > > This could be used as an additional information tag on amenities that > provide electricity for public consumption, such as bike/car charging > stations or camp sites. Many charging stations have nearby solar or use > green pricing tariffs. I've also seen camp sites and harbours advertise > this. > > This topic came up as a group wanted to plan a bike tour using e-bikes but > only with renewable energy. I noticed that there appears to be no easy way > to filter for the source of the electricity provided. > > Potential discussion: It's not quite clear to me whether power_supply or > electricity is preferred for this type of application. It might also be > interesting for consumers to see which buildings are powered by green > electricity if this is something a store or similar advertises. So it may > be worth expanding the proposal to electricity used by the public even if > not directly available (e.g. lighting in a store). > > Best regards, > Lukas > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing > listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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