They do NOT mean the same thing. How they differ has already been mentioned 2 or 3 times in this thread.
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 06:59 Robert Delmenico <rob...@rtbk.com.au> wrote: > Essentially though, they mean the same thing: > man_made=bridge is for areas > bridge=yes is for ways > > Both refer to to say there is a bridge and each assumes each others > meaning - I wouldn't think we would use natural=bridge. > > Perhaps there could be a proposal to change man_made=bridge to bridge=yes > > On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 3:41 pm Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging, < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> >> >> >> 20 paź 2020, 00:52 od rob...@rtbk.com.au: >> >> Perhaps the use of man_made could be dropped all together as it is >> somewhat superfluous. >> >> Ie. man_made=bridge is the same as bridge=yes >> >> Are you aware that we have bridge=yes >> and man_made=bridge used with a >> different meaning? >> >> >> Perhaps all of the existing man_made=[value] tags should be changed to >> [value]=yes >> >> >> Rob >> >> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 9:46 am Robert Delmenico, <rob...@rtbk.com.au> >> wrote: >> >> Please read this article: >> >> >> https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/pep/index-fra.html?lang=fra&page=usage_7_gender_neutral_writing_questions_usage >> >> >> >> >> 'Not really, and "man_made" does not mean that it was made by males.' >> >> Yes it does. Why would society also use women-made? >> >> >> >> >> >> 'It seems to me that a lot of males like to speak for women on these >> issues. >> Why? Can't they speak for themselves?' >> >> Hence why I said who am I to decide! >> >> >> >> >> 'Marriam-webster: >> == >> Definition of man-made >> : manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings' >> >> >> >> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/03/not-everything-is-man-made-13-amazing-inventions-you-can-thank-women-for/ >> >> Should we use the term man-made if it is made entirely by women? >> >> Also, check out the translations in the Collins dictionary - what do you >> notice? >> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/man-made >> >> >> >> >> >> 'As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife.' >> >> Midwife actually translates as 'with woman'. The wife part relates to the >> person giving birth. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 8:44 am Niels Elgaard Larsen, <elga...@agol.dk> >> wrote: >> >> Robert Delmenico: >> > >> > I originally put the call out really to gauge if there was much >> interest in changing >> > the term man_made because of its use of 'man', and was interested in >> hearing the >> > thoughts from other mappers as really this proposal isn't just mine. If >> there was no >> > interest I would just abandon it and move on - that's how the system >> works yeah? >> > >> > Here's my thoughts based on the feedback received so far >> > >> > Regardless of the origin of the term, the current use of 'man' is to >> identify adult >> > males. >> >> Not really, and "man_made" does not mean that it was made by males. >> >> > I don't think the use of 'man_made' offends women, but who am I to >> decide that as I >> > am a adult male. >> >> It seems to me that a lot of males like to speak for women on these >> issues. >> Why? Can't they speak for themselves? >> >> > I feel that by using any masculine or feminine terms where a suitable >> alternative >> > exists instills the stereotypes based on these terms. >> >> Marriam-webster: >> == >> Definition of man-made >> : manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings >> == >> >> >> > We don't refer to firefigters as firemen anymore, not do we refer to >> airline >> > attendants as airline hostesses. The world is changing and OSM should >> adapt to these >> > changes if there is enough interest from the OSM community. >> >> As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife. >> >> >> -- >> Niels Elgaard Larsen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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