I have the opposite conclusion about fee=yes/no. These are free-to-use short-term car parks that have a clause to prevent people from 'misusing' them for office parking, etc. I would expect a free car park to be fee=no + a warning of charge after long stay.
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 00:01 Andrew Harvey, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree these are very common arrangements. > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:46, Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I am not usually mapping this detail of parking fees, but from my >> understanding the above suggested tags would work and could be seen as >> covered by current state of tagging, no need for a proposal, just use it. >> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/fee%3Aconditional#values >> > > I agree, I wouldn't think it needs a proposal since I thought it's already > covered by the current :conditional and maxstay schemes. > > >> as a note, I believe we should "err on the safe side", i.e. better >> A) >> fee=yes >> fee:conditional = no @ maxstay < 3h >> >> than B) >> fee = no >> fee:conditional = yes @ maxstay > 3h >> >> I think I would ignore the maxstay==3h condition, ;-) >> > > I agree, generally I think of these as paid parking, but with the > exception that if you stay for a short time it's free, as opposed to being > free parking but if you overstay the parking they charge you a fee (the > latter would be more like a fine for going over the limit, but rather this > is usually just a grace period for not needing to pay). > > I've came to the same conclusion in the past where I tagged > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23024004#map=19/-33.79813/151.18415 > > Taginfo says 9 things tagged like this already > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/fee%3Aconditional=no%20(maxstay%3C2%20hours) > + > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/fee%3Aconditional=no%20(maxstay%3C3%20hours) > > This is also the syntax I suggested for the streetcomplete quest at > https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/issues/102#issuecomment-687761605 > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxstay recommends to always add > a unit (unlike maxspeed, maxheight, maxweight which all have default units) > and all the examples use expanded terms in English eg "hours" instead of > "h" or "hr". Any good data consumer would want to parse out all the > variants, so I wouldn't complain if you used "h" instead of "hours" but > would be nicer if there was only one way to tag it, so I'd prefer to stick > with the full term like on the wiki "hours". > > Unless there is disagreement we can just add this example to the wiki. > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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