Well I know one thing for sure, uploading files is standard 'out of the box'
with ASP.net. That is one thing that makes me scratch my head about the Java
platform, there are many common things that are used constantly in web
programming that are not directly addressed in a reasonable manner:

Uploading files
Simple implementation of JavaMail (I used Java mail as is but a facade
should have been put in place on top of it.)
Paging of collections
Rich Calendar
Client and server side validations
Auto-formatting of collections on the page.
Keeping state of form widgets

etc...

I know some if not all are being addressed in various places, I just would
have thought that SUN and the JCP would have had this stuff out already as
part of the core features of Java. Now we have to run all over the place to
put stuff together ...

This is especially interesting when all this is addressed in the competition
(.NET) for well over a year (Beta 2 had all this and Beta 2 is pretty
representative of the final release.)

Just my two cents.

Stef




----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Tag for uploading


> >It's been discussed to add it to the Servlet spec a few times, but it
> >gets shut down every time because it's not obvious how it should look
> >like to handle all possible requirements and still be easier to use
> >than one of the existing "third-party solutions" (like Jason's filter
> >and parsing classes). For instance, how to deal with large files (reject
> >them or store them in a file?), how to get access to regular parameters,
> >how to get access to the files (InputStream or File?), how to set
> >limits, download directory, etc, etc.
>
> Jason's classes aren't free software, they're encumbered by a "buy lots of
> copies of my book" license.
>
> >It's not impossible to come up with answers to all of these questions,
> >but so far the opinion of the spec group has been that existing
> >third-party solutions are sufficient and that very little would be
> >gained by adding it to the spec (in fact, it would make the spec more
> >complex, and arguable file upload is not in scope for the servlet spec).
>
> Nothing but the ability to code java webapps that handle file uploads in
an
> implementation-independent fashion.
>
> >If you feel strongly about it, I suggest you send it as a suggestion
> >to the spec group.
>
> I strongly encourage people to do so. This situation won't change unless
> many people write in and complain.
>
> - donald
>
>
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