ok...i think i'm clearer now. this thread helped:

http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=45&thread=506444

thanks all!

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:25:12 -0500, Jeff Ousley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> very cool! that worked...but why? none of other suggestions did. any
> sort of web.xml seemed to cause the page not to work. but placing this
> line in allowed it to work. i'm assuming this turns off expression
> language?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:18:06 +0100, Mark Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > or stick <%@ page isELIgnored ="false" %> in your jsp.
> >
> > On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 22:30, Simon Benzekri wrote:
> > > Hello Jeff,
> > >
> > > Try this as the top line  in  web.xml file.
> > >
> > >  <web-app xmlns="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee";
> > >     xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance";
> > >     xsi:schemaLocation="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee web-app_2_4.xsd"
> > >     version="2.4">
> > >
> > >       all other declaraqtions
> > > </web-app>
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Ousley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:59 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: jstl not working when i use a web.xml file
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > 1st of all, b gentle w/ me...i'm just getting into this stuff. i'm
> > > trying to use jstl stuff in a webapp on jakarta 5.0.27. i created my
> > > directory in webapps and placed the two .jar files in the WEB-INF/lib
> > > directory. from there, i just copied the SimpleRange.jsp file from the
> > > examples into my webapps directory. i then stop and restart jakarta
> > > and run the page. it works great! i get this returned:
> > >
> > >
> > > Simple Range Iteration
> > > 1 to 10
> > > 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 * 6 * 7 * 8 * 9 * 10 *
> > >
> > >
> > > however, if i create any sort of web.xml file inside WEB-INF for my
> > > webapp (at least the variations i tried), the page does not work
> > > properly. i created a very simple empty web.xml file like this:
> > >
> > > <web-app>
> > >
> > > </web-app>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > anyway, with a web.xml file present, i get the following when trying
> > > to run the page (after starting and stopping):
> > >
> > >
> > > Simple Range Iteration
> > > 1 to 10
> > > ${i} * ${i} * ${i} * ${i} * ${i} * ${i} * ${i} * ${i} * ${i} * ${i} *
> > >
> > >
> > > what in the world am i doing wrong? also (unrelated) how do i force a
> > > recompile of my pages?
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks!
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