intrigeri: > sajolida wrote (23 May 2016 16:27:04 GMT) : >> intrigeri: >>> Now, we do have certain reservations regarding shipping preinstalled >>> Tails (https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/#preinstalled), so we would >>> need to find a way to communicate clearly to the users 1. who they are >>> trusting (or not) when they use the Tails that comes installed on the >>> aforementioned microSD card; 2. how to re-install Tails on that >>> microSD card, in a way that avoids any such trust issues (we have >>> pretty good doc for that). The way I see it, it's a mere matter of >>> communication, but other project members might feel differently. > >> Definitely, this would require a very long collective discussion before >> we can consider be happy with having companies shipping preinstalled >> Tails in a commercial product. > > Sure, collectively defining what would make us, as a project, happy, > would be a very long process. I have little interest in going through > that personally about this specific topic. There are plenty of other > sides to collective happiness that matter more to me, and on this one > I see little room for strong consensus, so I bet that whatever happens > (or is prevented from happening) won't make everyone happy. > > Now, technically anyone can ship Tails inside a product, regardless of > whether it would make us happy, since Tails is free software; they > might even manage to do it right, if they're up to addressing the > specific concerns we have documented. > > OTOH, we can discourage them pretty easily, it's super cheap and it > requires no painfully long collective discussion about what "doing it > right" could possibly mean. > > I'm not 100% certain myself of what exactly I would be happy with. > But I really don't want to assume, as a starting point, that nobody is > able to do "it" in a way I would find satisfactory, so I intend to > keep explaining what our specific concerns with pre-installed Tails > are, and how they could possibly be addressed. > >> I personally would rather spend that time >> discussing how to make installing Tails easier and more secure for >> everybody. > > Yes, let's please keep up the good work in this area :) > >>> Still, there's the freshness problem given we release every six weeks, >>> and I doubt that your supply chain can guarantee that only up-to-date >>> Tails are shipped to the user (and even if that was possible, the >>> shipping delay can be enough to make it untrue again). Thankfully we >>> have quite user-friendly automatic updates, so this problem isn't as >>> bad for microSD as it would be for preinstalled DVDs. > >> Until we have #7499 [1] ("full-self upgrade"), receiving an SD card that >> has been flashed 6 months ago means today, upgrading 9 times in a row, >> restarting and reconnecting to Tor each time, which probably takes more >> time and definitely generates more frustration than downloading a fresh >> ISO and burning a DVD. > > Absolutely. JFTR, I didn't mean to imply that shipping 6 months old > Tails was an OK delay: IMO it would be way too long.
Sure, full ack on all this! _______________________________________________ Tails-dev mailing list [email protected] https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to [email protected].
