Hi.

I agree with Ian.

Routing sites should be able to connect up disconnected SUPs in a sensible
manner.

As an aside, it would be nice if sites like Bikely supported OSM as a
background.

  - Ben.
 On Apr 23, 2012 9:07 AM, "Ian Sergeant" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I can see your argument, and no doubt having useful cycle routes available
> is a good thing.
>
> However, I don't think personal ad-hoc cycle routes should be added to
> OSM.  It is a slippery slope, and OSM can't accommodation everyone's ideal
> connecting route.
>
> Instead, I'd add the information (speed limits, road widths, residential
> nature, cycle facilities (lanes, etc)) that would allow a typical cycle
> router to be able to identify the connecting route between the two
> cycleways.
>
> Personally, I think long term this is a better way to go anyway.  Some of
> the official cycle routes (particularly in Sydney) have poor cycle
> facilities, and in the case of the currently tagged Concord to CBD cycleway
> IMO is downright deadly.  So many people have different opinions on what
> makes a good cycle route for them, lets identify the features and get them
> all into OSM, and then lets optimise the software to find the best way.
>
> There are lots of services to map personal favourite rides (bikely,
> mapmyride, etc).
>
> Ian.
>
> On 22 April 2012 22:09, Lachlan Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I've recently moved back to Lake Macquarie after some years in Canberra,
>> and I'm delighted to find that there are more cycle paths around the
>> central coast and Lake Macquarie than I was previously aware of.
>> Unfortunately many of them are either incomplete or disconnected from each
>> other.
>>
>> I am wanting to scout out optimal on-road routes to connect cycle paths
>> into excellent recreational routes.  For instance the recently opened
>> Fernleigh (Rail trail) Track ends in Belmont, and just a few kms away there
>> is a great path around Green Point.  I want to tag a route (probably as
>> "lcn") through the streets of Belmont so that viewers can see how best to
>> join these rides together.  To my knowledge there is no official
>> council-endorsed cycle route.
>>
>> I recognise some people may have a philosophical aversion to this,
>> because it is tagging based on usefulness rather than on what is "actually
>> on the ground".  I feel, however, that we have an opportunity to scout out
>> optimal connections and start using them for cycling now, while we lobby
>> councils to make such routes "official".  I would choose a tagging scheme
>> along the lines of "network=lcn" with "status=unofficial" or something so
>> that these routes could be located by a search algorithm if needed.
>>
>> I've spent a while looking around the web, and there are no decent
>> cycling maps of the region to be found.  OSM and OpenCycleMap would be a
>> superb resource if we took the liberty of tagging "desired routes" such as
>> I have outlined.
>>
>> How do you feel about this suggestion?
>>
>> - Lachlan
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