"Abandoned" makes it sounds like there are tracks in place for the
length of the line, just no trains running on it.
But that's not the case - in the 4km the line used to run on there are
11 remaining artifacts, the largest being a station building (old North
Carlton station), the smallest being a single 4 metre track section in
Edinburgh gardens, or the one remaining concrete pylon base. They are
the vestigial traces that need to be mapped. As for the rest, it's a
mostly a park now with a bike track along it (the bits that aren't are
houses) ... and that's what it should be mapped as.
On 30/11/2012 6:23 PM, Mark Rennick wrote:
Matt
I believe abandoned railway lines should be mapped.
If it is necessary to have a current physical feature to justify
mapping, then the railway formation (cut and fill earth works)
generally remain, particularly if the railway reserve has been
retained as a rail trail, road or linear park.
*From:*Matt White [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Friday, 30 November 2012 7:31 AM
*To:* 'talk-au'
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines
Right. So if I delete the mapped rail line that doesn't exist, then
remap the individual pieces of track, the remaining point and
weighbridge, three overhead pylon mounts, one remaining station and
one cutting that remains as historical artifacts, then everyone is cool?
If it exists on the ground now, it will get mapped. Otherwise, it won't.
Matt
On 29/11/2012 4:46 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
Actually, the slope is slippery. People have made it about old
roads. There are people who have mapped old roads where they have
been completely developed over and no trace remains.
Mapping the traces of an old rail line isn't historical mapping.
If there are currently traces there then it's mapping the present.
*From:*Steve Bennett [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:02 PM
*To:* Matt White
*Cc:* talk-au
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Matt White
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Admin boundaries are a slightly different thing - they may be
intangible on the ground, but they are also current. We don't
keep historical versions of admin boundaries either
The problem with the historical thing is that to my mind, it
is a slippery slope. There's a park near me that is currently,
well, a park. But I know that it was previously a quarry, and
then a rubbish tip/landfill, cos there is a sign saying so.
But I certainly wouldn't tag the parks as a quarry or
landfill, because it isn't. It's a park....
IMHO this slope is not slippery. Every time the "do we map
historical stuff" debate comes up, it's always about train lines.
That is, we're still at the top of this supposedly slippery slope,
waiting to slide down. Somehow, train lines are different. They
just are.
To reiterate what I said before in different words: we're not
mapping "the 1890 route of a long forgotten train line". We're
mapping the vestigial traces of a former line. And I'm absolutely
not proposing to record any information about when lines opened or
closed, or were re-routed or whatever.
Steve
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