Thanks Kye

I'm wondering if the issue of 'awareness of a service/facility' in an 'area'   rather than pinpointing to a GPS location,  is something that OSM can handle.     I know I'm seeking to relate a non-tangible 'aspect' to what is really a tangible physical location,   but so many things in a town are 'aspects/features'  that don't pysically reside at one single point - nor are they a WAY or a bounded AREA either.   Apologies again, if we're trying to put OSM to the wrong purpose.   My answer to Ben in last response, where club names don't sound like a town location,  is what makes alternative lists on websites a non-solution too,  whereas a MAP perfectly illustrates that a club is 'nearby'.

I'll now struggle for an analogy,  but let me try.  It's a bit like trying to MAP the 'rough' locations of where whale watching is best to observe,  and the answers are:  Cape Bridgewater, Portland and Warrnambool,  but we don't necessarily want to pinpoint the GPS location of one specific beach location to drive too.  Howeverm a n OSM map, bounded by an overall restriction (say Australia only)  would permit three DOTS to appear around the Shipwreck coast to demonstrate that's the place to go for whales.

   .....  back to tracking the 180 woodworking clubs.....



Gary

On 06/07/17 16:31, Kye Webb wrote:
I have to agree with Ben.. 
It doesn't make sense to add tags to the place node. If the contact details were added to the place node, a thieve could pretend to be a new member and get the address... depends on your member enrollment system. 
I am going to assume many businesses tagged in osm have valuable equipment readily available for thieves.


On Jul 6, 2017 at 4:17 pm, <Ben Kelley> wrote:

Hi.

I think if the club has a location, then map a node at the club's location. (e.g. some type of amenity tag) Use the normal tags for contact details (phone number, web site).

I don't think it makes sense to add tags to the place node.

 - Ben.


On 6/7/17 16:04, Gary Pope wrote:
Intent: Would like to tag locations of many woodworking club houses
around Australia
Issue:  * Woodworking clubs like to attract new members, or visiting
members from other clubs
		* Woodworking clubs often contain expensive machinery -
		theft target
		* But they do have websites that we can link to
			* Some don't have websites, but newsletters
			(pdf)
			* If newsletters are linked to, they often
			contain personal names & phone numbers

Proposal:       * Add a tag to suburbs (place=suburb) that have
woodworking clubs. Such as:
				* place=suburb, club:woodwork=yes,
				club:woodwork:website=website.org
			* Add a tag to woodwork clubs that want their
			clubhouse location known, such as:
				* club=woodwork (note
				craft/shop=woodwork would be wrong, as
				these places are not for commercial use)
			* Contact woodwork clubs and ask them if / how
			they wish to be tagged
			* Worst case scenario would be to create a
			separate database and host that as an overlay to
			OSM

Issues: * Which tag(s) to use
		* Tagging suburbs with woodwork club facilities (Would
		very much like to know if this is ok, or if there are
		alternatives)
		* Legal issues (privacy?) if we were to link to
		newsletters
		* Woodworking club houses are often owned by the
		council, but can be privately owned - some extra info

Any feedback would be very welcome.

For testing purposes we have identified 6 'example' clubs that don't mind their full exposure right to an address.
https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w="club"%3D"woodwork"+global&R


But feedback from various parties suggest it might be better to have a POINTER only at a SUBURB level,  along with some sort of description that demonstrates that there is a 'club' in the area "nearby"



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