I've done this import, where existing data conflicts I've mostly left in place, sometimes when it's obviously wrong I've fixed it.
There were a lot of intstances where some data existed by in a similar tag, eg. website, contact:website and url. As much as possible I've tried to leave in place the existing key. A few were omitted as I lack the local knowledge I feel necessary to add them to OSM: Aurora College, Saturday School of Community Languages, Central Sydney Intensive English High School, plus some others where I've left notes. All commits happened in https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aharvey_imports On 28 April 2018 at 11:20, Andrew Harvey <[email protected]> wrote: > I've received some feedback from the imports list and made some changes to > the plan. > > 1. The ref tags won't be imported as they can in some instances discourage > local edits. They make the object feel less like a native OSM object and > editors may feel it's a special imported piece of data that they can't > touch. I certainly don't want this imported data to feel like that, and > given these IDs aren't that important (feel free to identify any use cases > where they are helpful) I'll skip them initially. > > 2. access=private tag won't be imported, this is best surveyed on an > individual basis. > > 3. capacity changed to school:enrolment to better reflect what this number > actually is. Enrolment could be lower or greater than the capacity. > > 4. I'll put tho source tags on the changeset, moving existing source tags > to source:geometry where it is an Imagery source, or if source is survey, > leaving it in place. > > 5. I'll leave in place existing "Foo Primary School" names as what's on > the ground should prevail. "Foo Public School" where "Foo Primary School" > exists will be placed in the alt_name. These can always be changed on an > individual basis with local knowledge of the school. > > I'll give it a few more days for feedback, if I don't get anything back > I'll start the import as planned. > > On 23 April 2018 at 21:19, Andrew Harvey <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm investigating the possibility of importing NSW Public Schools data >> <https://data.cese.nsw.gov.au/data/dataset/nsw-public-schools-master-dataset> >> into OpenStreetMap in line with the Import Guidelines >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines>. >> >> At this stage I'm seeking buy in from the local community as well as >> feedback on my plan, before taking it to the imports list. Please refrain >> from jumping the gun by importing this data before this review has been >> completed. >> >> The data is CC BY 4.0 licensed (although the link above says only CC BY, >> I've confirmed via email that it is CC BY 4.0) and the OSMF CC BY waiver >> has been completed >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:CESE_NSW_AU_MasterSchools.pdf>. >> >> 1. Attribute Mapping >> >> Here is a sample of the attribute mapping I've applied, I'd appreciate >> any feedback on this. >> >> amenity=school >> access=private >> // Although generally on public land, access to public school grounds >> is similar to any other private property, you can be there by invitation >> and you can walk up to the front door but the owner/school can ask you to >> leave at any time. >> addr:city=Crows Nest >> // suburb >> addr:postcode=2065 >> capacity=927 >> // Based on enrolment numbers, although they aren't necessarily equal >> I think in lieu of better information it serves as a good placeholder >> contact:[email protected] >> website=http://www.northsydbo-h.schools.nsw.edu.au >> // derived from the email, but looks fine >> contact:fax=+61 2 9957 6310 >> contact:phone=+61 2 9955 1565 >> fee=no >> Public schools don't have compulsory fees to attend, unlike most >> private schools. >> isced:level=2-3 >> Upstream uses Infants, Primary, Secondary which are mapped to the >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:isced:level levels 0, 1, 2-3 >> respectively. >> grades=7-12 >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:grades >> name=North Sydney Boys High School >> operator=NSW Department of Education >> // being part of the NSW Public Schools dataset implies they are >> operated by the NSW Department of Education which in tern implies they are >> public schools >> ref:au.gov.nsw.cese=8132 >> ref:au.gov=7614 >> // these references although not necessary might make it easier to >> keep data in sync with future upstream updates >> school:gender=male >> // mixed, male, female >> school:selective=yes >> // yes, no, partial >> school:specialty=comprehensive >> // agricultural, languages, arts, comprehensive (most) >> start_date=1915-01-01 >> >> A question is should we apply the source tag to the changeset or the >> object. What should we do with the existing source tag? If it's obvious it >> relates to the geometry I suggest it be moved to source:geometry, otherwise >> I'd suggest it be deleted (it's still there in the history). Though a >> specific source:name tag should be retained. >> >> I'm proposing to use on the changeset tag: >> >> source:url=https://data.cese.nsw.gov.au/data/dataset/nsw- >> public-schools-master-dataset >> source=NSW CESE Public Schools Master Dataset >> >> Along with a comment pointing to this thread. >> >> 2. Import Plan >> >> To make importing the data easier, I've put together a basic web >> application at https://andrewharvey.github.io/au-nsw-public-schools-to- >> osm/diff.html. Based on matches identified by distance to nearest school >> within 200m you can see which tags will change. It uses the JOSM Remote >> Control to load the change into JOSM where the final upload(s) will take >> place. >> >> My import plan is to go through this and and apply the changes or edit >> them manually as necessary. In cases where tags conflict I plan to open >> changeset comments to ask the author to determine what to do. >> >> I plan to use an dedicated imports account. >> >> I plan to add the attribution to the Contributors page. >> >> Most public primary schools have interchangeable names "Foo Primary >> School" and "Foo Public School". If a different name is already tagged, I >> propose we move it to alt_name, that makes the names consistent, but also >> means that it might not match the name used on the ground. What do people >> think about this? >> >> All the code and cached versions of the data files are available at >> https://github.com/andrewharvey/au-nsw-public-schools-to-osm. >> >> Some stats... >> >> Total features from OSM: 2636 (1649 matched, 987 unmatched) >> Total features from Upstream: 2209 (1713 matched, 496 unmatched) >> >> Of most interest are those 496 features from the upstream dataset not >> found in OSM, but the other 1713 are still of interest as they add a lot of >> missing tags to the existing objects in OSM. I haven't yet looked through >> the "schools" we have in OSM but the dataset doesn't have, because the vast >> majority will be private schools, and not things we need to investigate >> further. >> >> I'm aware there are a number of "schools" in the upstream data we might >> not consider schools for OSM for example "Field of Mars Environmental >> Education Centre", "Royal National Park Environmental Education Centre" as >> the students attending here are likely on excursion. However given the wiki >> says "place where pupils, normally between the ages of about 6 and 18 are >> taught under the supervision of teachers.", I think we should include them. >> >> There are a number of schools for the disadvantaged, disabled, etc. and >> in hospital schools not currently mapped in OSM, importing this data means >> we can include more of these kinds of schools. Unfortunately they aren't >> tagged as such so they appear the same, but I still think it's better to >> have them than not. >> > >
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