Hi, I've noticed over the past few years a National Cycle Network "creep" in Australia.
Personally, I'm not sure that Australia has anything that would really count as a national cycleway network. This concept was developed in the UK and Europe where they really do have developed national routes. I am prepared to accept that perhaps the (now scrapped) coastal cycleway may approach a national route - and I know that has been mapped in places. But if we choose to map those sections we have to appreciate that the route has many gaps. This was particularly concerning when I saw that Bulli Pass was mapped as part of a National Cycleway Network. This is a section of steep road, with no shoulder, used by heavy vehicles. There is no bicycle facility, no signage, no nothing. So, sure, bicycles are free to ride wherever they want. And I'm not saying this can't be cycled safely. But I think marking sections like this is arbitrary at best, and at worst dangerous. I'd like to hear any viewpoints that agree or differ? Otherwise, I might start cutting out these sections of these routes that I know aren't signed and have no amenity. Sure - we may have a disconnected route, but that's the ground-truth as I see it. I'd like to talk about the possibility of removing some of the high speed road with no shoulder sections too (at least from the national cycle routes). If we look at how Google Maps does this, it's much more reliable than the proliferation of dodgy routes that we currently have in OSM. The expectation of a national cycle route should be our best facilities, not a windy 100km road with no shoulder. Ian. _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

