On 05/04/19 08:02, Ian Sergeant wrote:
Hi Sebastian,
Thanks for your thoughts. I'm sure we're all well intentioned.
If I understand your proposal, what you're saying is we build a wiki
page that lists the relevant authority and what should not be mapped
in that area. Then a local mapper would check against that when
mapping significant local features?
So that raises two issues I see.
Firstly, since it's defined in the negative it relies on someone
seeking out the local authority and recording their wishes. Rather
than imposing a positive obligation to seek permission. In that way it
seems a little different to what others seem to be proposing.
Secondly, we may end up with a wiki page with the areas and
significant features all laid out. Which may be counter to what we're
trying to achieve here.
+1 ...
Usually it will be a large area - many square kilometres rather than a
small area.
The name of the 'tribe' should be enough for 'local' mappers to
determine the area, some areas overlap which is a problem as you would
need permission from both.
Ian.
From: Sebastian S.
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Aboriginal art sites
To: [email protected], Graeme Fitzpatrick, Ian Sergeant
Cc: OSM-Au
I second that the elders wishes should be respected.
With regards to documenting.
One way would be to mark the local indigenous area/tribe/... And then
outline in the wiki what should not be mapped in order to respect the
wishes. I recall a recent blog post or Diary entry regarding
indigenous communities mapping.
In a sense this falls in the same category as 'I don't want my
backyard shed or pool mapped from satellite images'. Although the
cultural aspects are not the same :-)
In some areas backyard pools can form a significant fire fighting
resource .. and there is some merit in mapping them. Usually the pool
owner signifies permission for this by placing a small sign at the
property entrance that fire fighters can see.
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On 3 April 2019 8:17:25 am AEDT, Graeme Fitzpatrick
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 20:27, Ian Sergeant <[email protected]
<mailto:inas66%[email protected]>> wrote:
How do we actually contact "local elders"?
Would have to be done "on the ground" in that local area
Where do we record their consent?
Possibly in Notes? Maybe the Oz Data Catalogue page
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue or similar?
What if they change their minds?
Then I think we would need to delete the entries, similar to the way
that you can request your premises not be shown on Google Maps. I
have seen a comment on the Tagging list that some town in the US
requested that all it's minor streets be deleted from all online maps
to prevent rat-runners from driving down them!
Are we saying other mappers should delete these sites if they see
them on the map? How do they know if approval was obtained?
I would hope that people have done things "properly". As mentioned
though, if the site is advertised / signposted, then it's fine to
map. But if you're walking in the Kimberley & find a cave full of
paintings, then you should ask for approval before mapping them. This
was discussed a while back about mapping a track up in that area, but
I can't find the reference in the archives
is this form of censorship practised anywhere else in OSM - maybe
for other indigenous people - that we could copy their model?
I don't know? I'll post the question on the Tagging list.
P.S. It's Strait - not "Straight".
Thanks! Corrected :-)
Thanks
Graeme
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