Hi everyone, Just as an update, in case anyone is thinking of sending off another waiver. I got a reply back from the DPC. They've found the correct person to look at the request, and are awaiting their response.
Cheers! On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM Aaron <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for the information. I've included the original email below, and > I've attached the waiver. > > *Original message:* > From: Aaron Fang Shenhao <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 1:54 am > Subject: Permission to Incorporate PTV's CC BY Data Into OpenStreetMap > To: <[email protected]> > > Dear Department of Premier and Cabinet, > > Thank you for making Public Transport Victoria’s open data available under > the Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 license at data.vic.gov.au. > > I am a volunteer of OpenStreetMap <https://www.openstreetmap.org/>, a > collaborative open project to create a global geodata set freely usable by > anyone on share-alike and attribution terms under the Open Database > License (ODbL) <http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/>. > > We’re very interested in using the data in Public Transport Victoria’s > open data to improve OpenStreetMap. In order to facilitate this, we need > to confirm with you that Public Transport Victoria has no objections. > > In particular, there are two issues we would like to clarify. > > First, because OpenStreetMap's data comes from thousands of local > volunteers as well as numerous government sources, attribution to all such > sources on an OpenStreetMap-based map or similar visual display is > impossible. Instead, we provide attribution (including original license > information) to major sources like Public Transport Victoria on our > Contributors > page <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#%5Byour%20region%5D>. > OpenStreetMap users are then required to attribute "OpenStreetMap > Contributors" in a collective fashion > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright> when using any OpenStreetMap > data. CC BY's attribution requirements are relatively general, so we just > need you to confirm that you would consider OpenStreetMap's attribution > method to attribute Public Transport Victoria in a "reasonable manner" in > accordance with Section 3(a)(1) of the CC BY 4.0 license. > > Second, the ODbL and CC BY 4.0 have slightly different ways of addressing > digital rights management technologies. The ODbL allows data users to apply > technical protection measures to their own works so long as they also > provide an unrestricted version of the underlying database, including their > own additions ("parallel distribution"). In contrast, CC BY 4.0 can be read > to prohibit any application of technical protection measures to databases > that include CC BY material. This is a relatively minor difference in how > the licenses are drafted, but means that in some cases, users who comply > with ODbL might not comply with CC BY 4.0. > > In practice, we have found that parallel distribution is an excellent way > of ensuring open access to data while allowing flexibility in use. Thus, we > ask that, to the extent CC BY 4.0 Section 2(a)(5)(B) prohibits any > downstream restrictions even when parallel distribution is available, you > waive this license restriction as to OSM and its users. This waiver would > have no effect on Public Transport Victoria’s original dataset and only > pertains to the restrictions allowed on combinations of that data with OSM > data. > > Thank you for your consideration. If Public Transport Victoria is > amenable, can you please check off the boxes in the attached form and > return a signed version to me? > > If you have any questions or would like more information about > OpenStreetMap, please do not hesitate to contact me by e-mail. > > Regards, > > Aaron Fang Shenhao > > Local OSM Representative > > http://www.openstreetmap.org > > http://localosmgroup.tld > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 4:14 pm, Andrew Harvey <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Unfortunately it is quite common to not hear back. Which email did you >> send to? It's worth sending a reminder email. >> >> >> On Wed., 20 Nov. 2019, 11:58 am Aaron, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just checking up on this. It's been 2 months since I sent the waiver, is >>> it a normal waiting period, or did I address the wrong person or something? >>> :P >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Aaron. >>> >>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 4:39 pm, Sebastian S. <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi and also welcome, >>>> It would be good if you update the wiki once you've sent the waiver >>>> request off. >>>> This helps tracking what's going on. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Seb >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>> >>>> On 14 September 2019 10:01:34 pm AEST, Aaron Fang Shenhao < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thank you both for the helpful info! >>>>> >>>>> I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back >>>>> I'll make sure to update the wiki and report back. >>>>> >>>>> I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for >>>>> anyone who is interested. >>>>> >>>>> Transport Medium │ No. stops No. routes >>>>> ════════════════════╪════════════════════════ >>>>> Metropolitan Train │ 222 99 >>>>> Metropolitan Tram │ 1673 73 >>>>> Metropolitan Bus │ 18241 354 >>>>> Regional Train │ 110 206 >>>>> Regional Bus │ 6644 356 >>>>> Regional Coach │ 859 658 >>>>> Night Bus │ 452 22 >>>>> TeleBus │ 100 8 >>>>> Interstate │ 11 11 >>>>> SkyBus │ 5 2 >>>>> >>>>> For completeness, here's the summary from OSM using the tags >>>>> railway=station, railway=tram_stop and highway=bus_stop inside the area >>>>> ISO3166-2=AU-VIC. >>>>> >>>>> Transport Medium │ No. stops No. routes >>>>> ══════════════════╪════════════════════════ >>>>> Train │ 442 38 >>>>> Tram │ 1570 91 >>>>> Bus │ 4793 716 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Andrew Harvey < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 23:29, Aaron Fang Shenhao < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is my first time using the mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Welcome! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve noticed that PTV’s (Public Transport Victoria) datasets ( >>>>>>> https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/data-and-reporting/datasets/) all >>>>>>> fall under Creative Commons International 4.0, which requires explicit >>>>>>> permission to be used according to OSM’s blog. I’ve looked at the wiki >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> can’t find any of these specific datasets in the list approved for use. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Graeme pointed to the catalogue on the wiki of waiver status. I >>>>>> missed PTV when doing the initial round, so feel free to add this to the >>>>>> wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone asked for permission to use these datasets before? I >>>>>>> downloaded the GTFS dataset for a programming project, and it seems >>>>>>> amazing: we could add all the stops and connect all the routes for all >>>>>>> modes of transport in VIC just from this dataset? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't approached PTV about this, and since it's not listed on the >>>>>> wiki, I'd say go ahead and put together the waiver letter and send it >>>>>> off. >>>>>> The metadata records have a contact email you can use. If you do send >>>>>> off a >>>>>> waiver request please update the status and date you sent it to the wiki >>>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, this >>>>>> really helps the rest of the community see what's going on. >>>>>> >>>>>> There'd still be a fair bit of manual work involved in an import to >>>>>> avoid duplicates and to integrate with what's already in OSM, but with a >>>>>> solid plan and engaging with this mailing list and local mappers with the >>>>>> plan and execution, an import could be a good thing to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I see there is reference to >>>>>>> https://www2.delwp.vic.gov.au/maps/spatial-data/victorian-spatial-data#Vicmap_Transport-11 >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> OK but that doesn't appear to be the same thing? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately not, VicMap Transport only has airports, roads and >>>>>> railway lines. The PTV data has bus stops and a few other datasets. >>>>>> >>>>>
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