Hi, your case 1 appears to me like a parking lane. With or without cycle lane this is a common occurrence in most suburbs. I've asked about parking lanes some time ago.
case 2 - what is the lane between the two continuous lines for? case 3 - this is where I ask me at what width does a shoulder start being a shoulder? case 4 - have not notices that one. I give you case 5 - similar to case 3 but with markings to indicate bicycle use, on junctions there are even green cycle lanes. https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/-32.78641/151.92969 Case 5 was the reason I've raise the question. Following your cases I would tag it (shouder=yes, cycleway=lane) I do recall signs with bikes on them along the road, which I would interpret as official cycle way? However I noticed that there was no line marked on the outside of the road. I think that the shoulder tag is more important on higher level roads and rural roads. In urban areas, residential roads I would use the parking lane tags. On 23/1/20 5:34 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 14:19, Sebastian S. <mapp...@consebt.de > <mailto:mapp...@consebt.de>> wrote: > > Hi, what is the view of tagging road shoulders and particularly > when they have painted bicycle signs? > > Motorways would be another candidate. > > > I've seen a few different scenarios. > > - a dedicate cycle lane (only used as a cyclelane, not an emergency > shoulder) cycleway=lane + shoulder=no > eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/-33.81151/151.18789 > - a shoulder which doubles as a marked cycle lane (it's an emergency > shoulder, but with markings to indicate bicycle use) (shouder=yes, > cycleway=lane) > eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/-34.64938/150.84838 > - a shoulder which can be used by bicycles but has no bicycle markings > or signage (shoulder=yes cycleway=no, bicycle=yes) > eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/-34.58996/150.60760 > - have both a cycle lane and a shoulder, though segregated by paint > (cycleway=lane, shoulder=yes) - no way to distinguish this from case > (2) eg. https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/-33.43134/151.29444 > > I admit though this can be subjective. > > So my rule of thumb is if there is a painted marking for bicycles and > it's separated from other traffic from paint then use cycleway=lane, > you can also then consider if this is a road shoulder too and add > shoulder=yes if so. > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 14:30, Ian Sergeant <inas66+...@gmail.com > <mailto:inas66%2b...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Shoulders should always be tagged appropriately. > > Shoulders legally in Australia can be used by all bicycles - > whether or not they have a bicycle stencil (painted bicycle sign) > And a bicycle lane is legally indicated by a sign and not a > stencil. Legally the stencil has no meaning at all. > > > My view is we should be tagging based on the effective feature on the > ground, and not solely based on if it meets a specific legal > classification. So while legally it might need to meet certain > crieteria to be an official "cycle lane" so long as it's dedicated for > use by bicycles and separated from other traffic, it's effectively a > cycleway=lane in OSM. I've also seen some shoulders that are quite rough and not great cycle lanes. > > > My personal advice currently in Australia is to caution against > indicating there is bicycle infrastructure where there is no > amenity. Since, this is a far greater problem in OSM than > missing cycle routes and infrastructure, and takes far longer to > correct and survey. Google Maps has actually come from behind to > lead OSM in this aspect now in Sydney in most areas. > Ian, could you clarify the problem? I understand you refer to amenity as in signs and stencils for cycle routes? > > Are there any places in particular you think we are lacking? I've been > working hard to add new recently built infrastructure and well as > remove cycle tags from OSM where there is nothing left on the ground > anymore. > > > That said, most motorways that have a wide shoulder, a cycle > stencil, and permit cycling have a bicycle lane indicated. I > think this is probably appropriate. > > Ian. > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 14:19, Sebastian S. <mapp...@consebt.de > <mailto:mapp...@consebt.de>> wrote: > > Hi, what is the view of tagging road shoulders and > particularly when they have painted bicycle signs? > > Motorways would be another candidate. > > A wiki entry for shoulder exists but is very basic > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder_______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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