Hi Graeme

Admitting ashamedly that I like nothing better than my OSM mkgmap Garmin GPS device come up with any overnight viable stopping place nearby.. This of course makes me biased, so I apologise for that...

On 22/4/21 11:05 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 at 18:46, Bob Cameron <bob3b...@skymesh.com.au <mailto:bob3b...@skymesh.com.au>> wrote:

    tourism:camp_site.


I was looking at this just a couple of days ago, so thanks for bringing it up, Bob.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site> "is used to map a *campsite* (UK) or *campground* (North American): an area, usually divided into a number of pitches <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_pitch>, where people can camp overnight using tents, camper vans or caravans (aka RVs or motorhomes)"

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site> "is a place where people with caravans / motorhomes / recreational vehicles can stay overnight, or longer, in allotted spaces known as "pitches" or "sites" ... They may also have some space for tents. If a site is primarily for tents, it should be tagged as tourism <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tourism>=camp_site <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site>."

To me, that suggests that camp-site should be taken to be tents only, & if you've got wheels of any sort between you & the ground, so car / camper trailer / caravan / motorhome etc, it should be a caravan-site?

I find it quite frustrating to see a caravan_site and camp_site come up for the same entity. I get the impression that caravan_site is in fact a subset of camp_site and that table list tags under it (camp_site) would cover any caravan use. One major difference is that the wiki also lists toilets/showers as keys rather than just relying in amenity, whereas caravan_site doesn't. Perhaps it is inferred?

I tend to add individual amenity:toilet, amenity:shower etc as many camping areas make these facilities available for non campers, sometimes with a fee. It is not so common with more commercial caravan parks, some even refuse to sell a (paid) shower from the insurance liability standpoint. The same kind of variation happens with coin-op laundries at caravan parks.

I'd actually like to see the use of caravan_site discouraged but that's probably more my bias peeking through.. Would some fast query coder please get me the number of au camp_site and caravan_site objects please.

Cheers
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