If there are issues with how the, correctly tagged, map is presented by data consumers, we should be working on getting these data consumers in line, not mangle the underlying data.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 30 October 2021 19:13 To: stevea <[email protected]> Cc: OpenStreetMap <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Fwd: : Re: "Removing closed or illegal trails." >> Displaying a closed trail on a map (like OSM) does NOT cause people >> to navigate that trail. Such behavior is completely up to the >> individual who "concludes" from reading said map "hey, I'm going to >> hike that closed trail anyway." (Bzzzt; fail, human logic). >> >> OSM is not responsible for human foolishness, scofflaws or illegal >> (stupid, dangerous...) behavior. You simply can't say "the map >> made me do it." >> >> On the other hand, I do hear loud and clear the "natural preserve" >> areas which ARE open to human recreation, DO have "closed trails" >> (often with fragile and easily-human-damaged natural resources) and >> people, stupidly and ignorantly I might say by way of being >> candid, decide to hike (or bike, or motorbike...) there anyway. >> This is not the fault of a map, any map, including OSM. >> >> OSM does its best to map "what is." Period. It doesn't "make >> people" engage in activities people shouldn't engage in. Anybody >> who says so hasn't got it right, but MIGHT be worth listening to at >> how the map can be improved. This includes better instructions to >> end-users ("downstream apps...") when warranted. Steve, this is a restatement of the "guns don't kill people people do" argument. Guns and maps are not morally responsible for what people do, they are inanimate objects. They can never be guilty. But the issue is not whether the guns and maps are morally responsible, the issue is what kind of world we want to live in. If we can't control what some people will do with guns and maps and we can't, we have the choice of making guns less available and maps not render tracks into vulnerable ecosystems. Its not a moral decision, its a utilitarian decision. I am very happy to live where guns are strictly controlled. I would rather maps be more nuanced on the implementation of the "if it exists map it" rule which does us very well 99.999% of the time. Tony _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
