My User name is Slice0 and I was the one who made the mass edit to Upgrade the
Bus Stop nodes to current standards.
I did not bring it up for discussion here because it has already been discussed
and approved validator could consider a `public_transport=platform` way as
routable · Issue #8760 · openstreetmap/iD ·
GitHub<https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8760#issuecomment-948196855>
and voted on , my thought process was why do I need to discuss it here when it
has already been discussed, the DWG user who reverted my changed never fully
looked into this. He acted purely on the advice from Ds5rUy and should have
this ability taken away and given to someone who is more objective, if that
vote and discussion I linked out weighs and talk here then he is 100% wrong
and made 54700 wrong edits
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:01:18 +1000
From: <osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au>
To: "'OSM-Au'" <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all
of Australia.
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Warin,
nobody says that the tagging isn't correct for cases where the bus_stop node
is the only thing there is.
But please look at:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014
/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064
/unknown.png
This is a relatively normal bus stop. It clearly DOES have a distinct
platform. In which case the platform should be tagged on the area.
Even if someone decides that's too much work and decides to only to map the
bus_stop node and throw the platform tag onto that, that's fine as long as
it happens on a case by case basis.
The issue is that this is an automated mass edit, where the user loaded all
highway=bus_stop nodes in Australia into JOSM via an overpass query, then
unconditionally added the platform tag to all of them (even ones that might
have already tagged a platform on an area close by), and committed these
changes.
Furthermore, the user in question was specifically pointed to the Automated
Edit Code of Conduct before making that change and wilfully ignored the
process:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931094389407768607
/unknown.png
Cheers,
Thorsten
From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 17:38
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of
Australia.
On 13/1/22 5:47 pm, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
<mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au> wrote:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398
To quote my changeset comment:
This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
reverted.
public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped.
If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.
see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses
Umm from the above page
"If there is no real platform and you will only find a simple sign for the
passengers .
Add a node node at the location of the bus stop sign. It gets following
tags:
public_transport=platform
highway=bus_stop
name=<name> or ref=<reference number>
optional: additional tags like shelter=yes/no, bench=yes/no, bin=yes/no,
etc."
In most instances in Australia all there is is a 'bus stop sign' and shelter
with bench if your lucky. So in the majority of cases the tagging would be
correct.
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I think this came about from 'public transport version 2'. I don't know if
it is 'required'.
Personally I see platforms for trains, wharf? for ferries and usually
nothing for buses.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:36:37 +1100
From: Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com>
To: OSM-Au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all
of Australia.
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On behalf of the DWG, I'll revert the changeset in question due to the
undiscussed automated edit, especially because this was flagged as an
automated edit to the contributor prior to making the change and a
discussion didn't take place before the upload
https://discord.com/channels/413070382636072960/471231032645910529/931056454230745158.
Happy to continue the community discussion on the merits of the change.
on behalf of the DWG,
Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 17:53, <osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au> wrote:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398
>
> To quote my changeset comment:
>
> This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
> introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
> reverted.
>
> public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
> highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped.
>
> If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
> public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.
>
> see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses
>
>
>
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> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931071450926964786/unknown.png
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> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014/unknown.png
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> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064/unknown.png
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> Opinions?
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>
> Cheers,
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> Thorsten
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From: fors...@ozonline.com.au
To: Little Maps <mapslit...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria
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Ian
I showed my friends, their response was: "when do we start?"
Tony
> Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data???
> I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've
> pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you
> should still find lots of interest I hope.
>
> https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/
>
> It starts with the question, how far can you ride across Victoria without
> hitting a paved road? Then displays Victoria's major 'gravel zones', and
> plots the route that crosses Victoria from west to east which contains the
> shortest possible distance of paved roads. It's very circuitous.
>
> A series of supplementary posts expand on the main theme and describe how
> the maps and routes were made. I hope you find it interesting. Best wishes
> Ian
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