I like the idea of local_ref for the stand letter and ref for the bus stop number.
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 15:38, Stéphane Guillou via Talk-au < [email protected]> wrote: > Here from Meanjin/Brisbane, I've often struggled with naming bus stops, > and I'm keen to learn more. > > I've switched between using what's on the sign (seen from afar), or on the > timetable (often longer form). And using differing keys like: name, > alt_name, short_name. So would love to have a better idea of what to do and > what the de-facto or agreed-upon convention is... > > On thing that I noticed and that might factor in - although it's bordering > on mapping for the renderer: the Transport Map layer on the OSM website > visually "joins" bus stops that share the same name, which I find is a very > helpful hint on the map. It looks like: > > - It does it by exact name match, like here: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.48698/153.01086&layers=T > - But not by reference, like here (Raven St - 12 stop): > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/-27.48591/153.00169&layers=T > > Probably something that the renderer could be improved on, but thought I'd > mention it here because it makes me wonder if there are other data > consumers who rely on bus stop name matches, and then make use of a > separate tag like local_ref for the precise stand/platform (if needed). > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:local_ref > > Cheers > On 2/2/22 19:01, Warin wrote: > > > On 2/2/22 18:24, cleary wrote: > > I suggest leaving the bus stop ID number in the format that Andrew > initially stated, ref=201111 (rather than ref:stand=A) > > As a regular used of buses (pre-covid), I think "Stand A" etc needs to be > part of the name. At some locations, the stands are a block or more apart > (such as the multiple Martin Place and Town Hall bus stops in Sydney and > the many different stops at major suburban transport interchanges). Each > "stand" needs to clearly identified as a separate stop. > > Each stand has its own ID number. While the signposts at stops generally > give greater prominence to "Stand A", "Stand B" or sometimes "Stand B1", > Stand B2" etc, the six or seven digit reference numbers seem to be more > prominent in the public transport apps and have a necessary place in the > OSM database. > > > > +1 > > > I think the 'Stand *' should come before the location. Why? Because the > location can be determined by the lat/lon in the data base or its location > on a map. The 'Stand x' though is not something that can be determined by > lat/lon/location. > > > The reference number is handy in getting a route from the web route > planner - the from and too fields can be used with the ref number rather > than typing the name. > > > I recall having this conversation before on this list. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2022, at 2:24 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1128912626 is an okay example, with > ref being the Stop ID, and name being the stop name with the stand > number appended to the end. > > So in your case, > > ref=201111 > name=Kings Cross Station Darlinghurst Rd, Stand A > > I don't think this is perfect but probably the best compromise > currently. We could consider something like ref:stand=A. > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 11:49, Mat Attlee <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > What is the convention for tagging Sydney bus stops? I stumbled upon one > but not sure how to tag the stop number and the stand letter so put those > details in the note field > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9465614221 > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > -- > Stéphane Guillouhttp://stragu.gitlab.io/ > > You can encrypt our communications by using OpenPGP. My public key 4E211060 > is available on the keys.gnupg.net server. > > Other ways to interact with me are listed on my contact page: > http://stragu.gitlab.io/contact/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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