On 16/4/22 14:35, Bob Cameron wrote:
Sorry I cant see where to add these points to the wiki, nor see the
edit evolution. No doubt I'll see some disagreements, but anyway!
- Regarding "No Camping" signs within the rest area category.
(Although it could apply to any location)
It seems a bit long winded and not really useful for rendering
(boo-hiss-grin) that there is no direct correlation with camping keys.
The general "on the ground" camping that happens seems to be a case
of "anywhere that isn't excluded", so it makes logical sense to "name"
a (non) camping site, who says so, then mark it as access=no.
Rendering/reporting (boo/hiss) should exclude access=no from viable
sites.
OSM does not map 'no parking' areas ? So why are people mapping 'No
camping' with camping? These do render as a camping symbol in the
standard map..
Note I am not against mapping 'no camping' but it has to be some
recognized tagging to get the renders to show it correctly - or leave it
out.
Some bushwalking areas have no camping either for cultural or ecological
reasons.
No doubt it contras the ROW wiki but things are not the same
everywhere. And realising that camping/staying is an incredibly
complex subject that will get even worse as more population elects to
stay mobile. People will need to know what public places they aren't
welcome in.
Also in rest areas section
- One of the dramas with local council (ie not highway) rest areas as
leisure=park is that the name is often the park name (only/already),
so the existence of the blue rest area "picnic table and tree" sign
doesn't really correlate. Naming a parking area works, but it isn't a
rest area. I don't have an answer for that one, although keep in mind
that one of the standard sub tags in "rest area" is operator.
Along with 'rest area' there is a desire to map toilets and bins.. and
max stay to keep 'campers' aware.
- Designated vs yes for hgv. I seem to remember that we don't input
legislation "stuff", but what is on the ground. I would prefer to
think "designated" (always) means there is a P+truck sign up, whereas
"yes" means it happens or is (judgement) possible. Informal
parking/rest areas would only ever have yes or no. This doesn't change
the tagging so much in the guidelines but the prewording to what the
tag and road signs actually equate to. I wonder if it is worth a few
graphics?
- Vehicle parking sizes have worried me for a while. hgv's can double
in size. Perhaps it should be a based on B-Double sizes? I don't have
a viable answer for this as there will be data out there already. What
does NHVR do for its informal (green dot) rest areas? (To do with
capacity or size)
Road trains! Fortunately these know where they can/should park.
The problem with HGV parking is keeping others away. While a
car/motorcycle even a car trailer can occupy a HGV space the same cannot
be said for a HGV into a car space.
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