Re: [talk-au] user TheSwavu

[Dian Ågesson]

Good morning Anthony,

I've had a look at the intersection in question. In this edit 
(https://osmcha.org/changesets/120456255) TheSwavu has:

- Deleted forty five relations

- Deleted four ways within the intersection ("the cross")

- Altered four restrictions to apply a u-turn restriction using a way as 
a "via" role

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that

- The u turn restrictions only work "for one node, not two".

- The "cross"/four ways within the intersection is a valid mapping 
practice

ON THE U-TURN ISSUE

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13628392

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13628393

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13628394

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13628395

These four u turn restrictions appear to be correct. They prevent u 
turns from each direction of the dual carriageways.

There is no need to add additional restrictions for vehicles travelling 
from "two nodes away" because as a vehicle passes though the 
intersection it will be prevented from turning at the same point. The 
one way restrictions also prevent vehicles being routed through those 
ways to "avoid" the restriction.

What are you using to test the routing? It would be useful to know how 
you believe these restrictions aren't effective.

ON THE INTERSECTION MODELLING

you will realise those crosses at intersections do not break any OSM 
rules or policys. The no physical divide argument is not valid because 
they do not represent two different roads, this person is reverting 
edits he really knows nothing about.

I believe you are saying that because these turn lanes are representing 
a _single _road, rather than two roads, the principle of not splitting 
ways doesn't apply?

If so, you've misunderstood this guideline. There is no barrier 
enforcing physical separation between the road and it's turn lanes. They 
should not be mapped as separate ways.

COLLABORATION

This community seems to be all about winning a argument than giving a 
shit about the map.

From what I can see here, there isn't anyone who really wants to be 
having an argument at all. Other editors have pointed out where you 
might have misinterpreted the edits, and asked for more details. Myself, 
and others, have looked and seen nothing wrong on examination.

What is the routing service you are using, and what route are you 
testing? If there is a problem it needs to be fixed, but I (and it 
seems, everyone else) can't see what the problem is.

Dian

On 2022-05-02 17:27, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

He really is a major problem, it's a bit tedious but if anyone actually 
spent the time to randomly go through some of his edits you will see 
straight away how dangerous his edits really are. He 100% is randomly 
clicking buttons without even looking at what he is doing, as as 
everyone has seen here there is nothing I can do about it, he has the 
full support of a very vocal group here and he is free to go about it. 
If no one with a better voice than me can be bothered to actually look 
at these edits that's it for anyone to even bother to try to route 
anything youll be wasting your time. All my edits have always been by 
hand and personal knowledge and if that isn't as good as someone 
clicking buttons than everyone is wasting there time on this project.

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I am going to go through every single edit in Adelaide from this guy 
and report each one individually here and his user page, the small 
vocal group that backs this guy congrats your screwing the map!

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So how would you feel if someone had the full support of a small but 
vocal group on discord and given pretty much free rein to revert every 
single one of your edits because he got call out, well it's happening 
to me. I would like to report theswavu for this edit Relation History: 
13736691 | 
OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13736691/history> 
he deleted a restriction I put there to prevent u-turning from the 
service road. This community seems to be all about winning a argument 
than giving a shit about the map. I will be reporting him on his user 
page for this edit too.

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Yes martins road/waterloo corner road/bagster theswavu and randomly 
clicked buttons again and allowed u-turns from 2 nodes away, I think 
his little validator tool only works from 1 node or something, either 
way he has no local knowledge of this area

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Hi, what section of road has TheSwavu allowed u-turns? If you are 
referring to the intersection with traffic lights, the u-turn?s are 
correctly tagged. If not, please point it out to us so we can better 
understand

Regards,
Scottie0001

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Reporting user TheSwavu | 
OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheSwavu>
2 hours ago he made this changeset Changeset: 120456255 | 
OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/120456255#map=17/-34.75536/138.63155> 
he has allowed u-turns

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It's growing in use, I think (not with Australia-specific discussion).

It feels like a pretty good site, I check the headlines most days, and 
I
think one advantage is being able to get a feel for what's being
discussed elsewhere. Also to have location-specific discussions that
benefit either from the input of people elsewhere or to let other 
people
know how one place is doing things.

I don't like the notification system that much, but part of that is I
think that the ratio of meta posts to real topical ones is quite large
at the moment. It is decreasing though, as more people take part.

?Sam

On 1/5/22 06:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
So how's it going after this first month?

Any marked advantages / disadvantages over the existing mailing list?

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 12:52, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote:

The new community.openstreetmap.org
<https://community.openstreetmap.org> site is up and running.

It's going to replace the old forum, including the users:
Australia <https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=24>
subforum.

I'm not sure if we should ask for an Australia category to be
created on the new site. Probably not worth it until there's some
amount of content relating to Australia.


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And also, if you really look hard enough into it, you will realise 
those crosses at intersections do not break any OSM rules or policys. 
The no physical divide argument is not valid because they do not 
represent two different roads, this person is reverting edits he really 
knows nothing about.

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Hi, what section of road has TheSwavu allowed u-turns? If you are 
referring to the intersection with traffic lights, the u-turn?s are 
correctly tagged. If not, please point it out to us so we can better 
understand

Regards,

Scottie0001

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Date: Monday, 2 May 2022 at 10:57 pm
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Reporting user TheSwavu | 
OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheSwavu>

2 hours ago he made this changeset Changeset: 120456255 | 
OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/120456255#map=17/-34.75536/138.63155> 
he has allowed u-turns

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It's growing in use, I think (not with Australia-specific discussion).

It feels like a pretty good site, I check the headlines most days, and 
I
think one advantage is being able to get a feel for what's being
discussed elsewhere. Also to have location-specific discussions that
benefit either from the input of people elsewhere or to let other 
people
know how one place is doing things.

I don't like the notification system that much, but part of that is I
think that the ratio of meta posts to real topical ones is quite large
at the moment. It is decreasing though, as more people take part.

?Sam

On 1/5/22 06:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
So how's it going after this first month?

Any marked advantages / disadvantages over the existing mailing list?

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 12:52, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote:

The new community.openstreetmap.org
<https://community.openstreetmap.org> site is up and running.

It's going to replace the old forum, including the users:
Australia <https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=24>
subforum.

I'm not sure if we should ask for an Australia category to be
created on the new site. Probably not worth it until there's some
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