I fully support this bulk edit
________________________________ From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org <talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 8:32:00 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 35 Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Proposing a bulk locality edit for new admin_level definitions (Dian ?gesson) 2. Re: Basic question (Warin) 3. Re: UK's Ordnance Survey to launch mapping app in Australia (Warin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 14:11:33 +1000 From: Dian ?gesson <m...@diacritic.xyz> To: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: [talk-au] Proposing a bulk locality edit for new admin_level definitions Message-ID: <42e93b172beae60cdba7e07c63359...@diacritic.xyz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Hey all, Following the mailing list discussion last month (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-April/016101.html), the Australian admin_levels have been updated in the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#admin_level=*_Country_specific_values. Admin_level=7 was removed, and suburbs/localities have been adjusted to level 9, to better align with other countries and improve the prominence in rendering. I would like to propose performing a bulk edit to change the admin_level of these boundaries to ease the transition. This would involve: * using JOSM to retrieve all relations in Australia with boundary=administrative and admin_level=10 * high-level confirmation that the locality is correct (ie, consistent with the version uploaded by the PSMA import) * Changing admin_level to 9 Due to the size of the data being queried, this might be accomplished with a changeset for each state/territory. Are there any comments, feedback or objections about this proposed bulk edit? If there aren't any objections, I'll look to make the change this weekend. Dian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20220509/b7b29ece/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 17:38:06 +1000 From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Basic question Message-ID: <1b54e015-5189-441a-3540-fb3f3865a...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" On 8/10/21 17:41, Andrew & Ingrid Parker wrote: > Thank you everyone. It is clear now that?it is OK to have an area > inside or overlapping another area. That is logical and contrary to > what I had been told by another mapper. It may be the case that I > misunderstood what they were saying. Usually the last part - "misunderstood what they were saying" is the largest part of the problem. My take; ?landuse=forest does not denote trees but the human use of the land to get timber. natural=wood = trees exist here! Note 'natural' does not, in OSM terms' exclude human intervention. So if it is planted, maintained, etc by humans then it is still ok to tag 'natural=wood'. An example is where a tree area overlaps both a state forest and farm land. The tree area can be drawn as one area. While the farm and state forest can be separate areas overlapped by the tree area. What you should not do is overlap areas of land covers such as grass and trees, or sand and trees. And similarly for land use - farm and industrial for example. > Cheers > Andrew Parker > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 14:26, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 11:53, cleary <o...@97k.com> wrote: > > > Good mapping practice is to keep administrative boundaries > such as state parks, conservation areas, suburbs etc separate > from natural features such as water, waterways, woods etc.? > While they sometimes approximate, they rarely coincide exactly. > > Tagging a state park as natural=wood is usually inappropriate > because there will, nearly always, be parts of the park that > are unwooded.? Best to map the park with its official boundary > and then map the natural features separately using other > unofficial sources such as survey and satellite imagery. > > > Agreed, though as a rough first pass it has been common to tag > natural=wood on the administrative boundary if it's 90% correct, > but eventually as the mapping becomes more detailed separate > natural=wood is the way to go. > In some parts it has been applied where trees <70%... It was done when national parks had no rendering .. tagging for the render. Today I think the ktree tags should be removed from all admin boundaries.. but that is just me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20220509/84ad172a/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 17:48:34 +1000 From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] UK's Ordnance Survey to launch mapping app in Australia Message-ID: <9a8dea72-8d12-8e20-0439-bcc26e3fa...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 23/2/21 12:19, Andrew Davidson wrote: > https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/22/uk-ordnance-survey-launch-mapping-app-iustralia > > If you're not prepared to pay for the subscription it is a rather > rubbish experience. You get a MapBox tile layer and laughably low-res > aerial imagery. > > _ Ordnance Survey (OS) is after money. Like most government departments (UK + Oz) the government is after 'cost recovery' (or more) so you pay to get the data your taxes paid to collect. I have no idea why OS thinks they can make money in Oz, maybe they have some data from Oz in their archives they think they can sell... ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ------------------------------ End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 35 ****************************************
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