Thanks Kim and Phil.
I've updated the link to the one provided by Phil.
I don't believe that we should be including the descriptions verbatim,
even if we could: the actual grading system is a bit too complex to
https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/21475/dse_trail_grade_brochure_tagged.pdf
include on a single wiki page, and we probably don't want to encourage
inaccurate tagging using an impartial definition. Plus it would be a big
headache to try and keep the wiki aligned: it's much easier to provide a
source to the authoritative definition.
In re: Pump track, there isn't an established tag that would
differentiate a pump track - happy to add one if there is a good
candidate, of course. :)
In re: Bike Lanes and Street Cycling is trying to convey what you
described, and is largely taken verbatim from the previous guidelines:
Unfortunately, it is possible in Australia for a legally designated
cycle facility to be completely unusable. A bicycle lane that is really
a parking lane, or a shared path sign on a obstructed or even
non-existent path. Mappers should use common sense and discretion, and
map the effective facility that exists on the ground if it differs to
what is defined by the Australian road rules.
Essentially, follow what best describes what is actually on the ground -
don't simply follow every sign. :)
On 2022-06-28 10:51, Phil Wyatt wrote:
Hi Folks,
This is probably the best reference for the AWTGS
https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/recreational-activities/walking-and-camping/australian-walking-track-grading-system
Cheers - Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2022 8:21 PM
To: Dian Ågesson <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [talk-au] OSM Wiki Cleanup Update: 6th Tagging Guidelines
Page ready
Hi Dian,
The AWTGS page referenced isn't much use. As a trail user it doesn't
tell me if 1 is easy or hard.
Searching for other references I found
https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/safety/bushwalking-safety/australian-walking-track-grading-system
https://naturetrail.com.au/australian-walking-track-grading-system/
https://www.parks.vic.gov.au/things-to-do/hiking-and-bushwalking/choose-the-right-hike/how-walking-tracks-are-rated
all of which use almost identical descriptions and symbols for grades 1
to 5. Does anyone know what the source for this is, and if we are
allowed to include the descriptions verbatim in wiki.osm?
Is Pump track missing a key=value pair in the Value column?
bicycle=designated by its self doesn't imply pump track.
The "Bike Lanes and Street Cycling" section is vague. What does "map
according to what is on the ground, rather than relying on technical,
legal definitions" mean? Isn't what is signposted on the ground what
the legal definition is? Given that many signposted bike lanes and
trails in Australia are not fit for purpose (eg they have parked cars
in them or cyclist dismount signs) I don't know how they can be tagged
in a consistent and useful manner.
The rest of the page looks good.
Kim
On 26/6/22 22:02, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hello,
The sixth subpage of the Australian Tagging Guidelines:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Cycl
ing_and_Foot_Paths
is ready for review.
This page took a significant amount of effort, as there is ongoing
discussions, conflicting global guidelines, and the previous content
was quite out of date. This is also likely to be the subpage with the
most controversy, so I would strongly encourage contributions and
feedback from all.
Please, as always, don't be shy about providing feedback or raising
concerns. There are only one subpages to go with the Tagging
Guidelines pages: Utilities and Infrastructure.
Dian
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