On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 12:39, Dian Ågesson <[email protected]> wrote:
> My understanding that there are several distinct “highway” concepts in > Australia. When you are referring to *state routes *and *national routes*, > are you talking about the old, numberic route numbering system? Or, are you > talking about highways that have been gazetted as a "state controlled > highway", such as State (Bell/Springvale) Highway. Does it actually make > sense to have the "A1" as part of the "National Highway" network, given > that it is an alphanumeric route? > > I don't believe it is possible to assume that every numbered route has a > specific name, and vice versa (The A1!=Princes Highway!=Imlay Street, > Eden), but it would be help to update the network tags to be more in line > with international practice. > Scarily enough, I've just been looking at these maps over the last couple of days! https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Travel-and-transport/Maps-and-guides/Queensland-State-controlled-roads-and-region-maps Unfortunately, though, although very pretty, they don't really say much to a layman (& we would need permission to use the info anyway), eg https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Travelandtransport/Maps-and-guides/regiondistrictmaps/centralqldregion.pdf?la=en has lots of pretty coloured lines on it that depict 9 different types of road network!, but I don't think any of them are actually signposted the same as they show here? I know that looking at the GC map, the M1 is marked as 12A & called Pacific Hwy, while the Gold Coast Hwy is 11B but it's signposted as State Route 2? Thanks Graeme > Dian > > On 2022-08-11 07:45, Andrew Hughes wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > No I had not seen that and it's really helpful thank you. > > This is quite challenging to explain in an email but I will try... > > *Scenario:* Given a way, how can I determine if that way is part of a > state or national route with a name? > > *Scenario in Action:* > > - Given the way "Mulgrave Street Gin Gin QLD" > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/31973923 > - Is this part of any relation.... Yes there are 2 > - First relation is the A1, is this a national/state Highway YES! > because it has the route=road, network=NH > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/198279 > - Second relation is "Bruce Highway", is this national/state, NO! > because it does not have a network=NH or S tag. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/198331 > > *What's missing from the above:* > > - The Bruce Highway relation > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/198331 > - Does not identify that it is related to the A1 - National Highway > - Does not identify that south most section in North Brisbane the M1 > - Does not identity that this is a State Route - *but I am unsure > if it should* > - Similarly, the A1 relation > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/198279 > - Does not identify that it is related to the Bruce Highway (route) > - The way "Mulgrave Street Gin Gin QLD" > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/31973923 > - Can't be reliably determined to be part of a state/national route > and found to be named "Bruce Highway". Yes, I can say its on the A1 > (national highway) but I can't say that the Bruce Highway is a > State/Road > route > > > *My 2c* > > I'm unsure if what I am looking for should exist in a hierarchy of > parent/child relations, or if it is best left to trawling through tags and > finding references by convention and hope that things are tagged correctly. > I kinda think the first is correct, or else why would OSM even have > relations? > > Parent Child relation down to the way members.... > > - RELATION: name=National Highway; ref=A1; route=road; network=NH > - RELATION: name=Bruce Highway ref=A1:M3; route=road; network=S > <--- not sure if this is S or NH > - RELATION: name=Bruce Highway ref=A1; route=road; network=S > - WAY.... > - WAY.... > - RELATION: name=Bruce Highway ref=M1; route=road; network=S > - WAY... > - WAY... > > > The above would allow a way's membership and hierarchy to be traversed. > > *Thoughts?* > > Please let me know CHEEERS! > > > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 14:50, Andrew Davidson <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:48 AM Andrew Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: > > Some worldwide/geographic tagging guidelines exist, that are based on a > combination with the "network" tag: see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Road_routes > > > > Have you read > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads#Routes > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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