On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux <[email protected]> wrote: > 2013/9/27 Marc Gemis <[email protected]> >> >> I'll be there. > > > Great > >> >> But I'm still confused about the goals of the meeting. > > > good questions Marc. Here are my goals, which I hope will meet the ones of > many of you : > > 1/ meet in person many Belgian mappers and active members of the Belgian OSM > mailing list. I know many of you by names and actions, but I have not had > the opportunity for such an important direct relation, that I find very > usesul for developping further mutual respect, trust why not friendship, or > professional relations. Thanks to RMLL2013 in Brussels, I have met Jo and > Ben. This eases, at least for me, the exchange we have now still by email > mostly. > > 2/ discuss in person, which is sometimes more efficient, some of the > projects we have discussed on this list and if possible, move some a little > further, and take some decisions. > > 3/ allow new members of the OSM community at large to meet some of us, and > get quickly and easily on board. For example, a leading person for ULB, > using more and more free software (in the communication, TV and radio world, > with students), Philippe Delchambre in cc. wrote many times to this list, > asking for help to start mapping. I haven't been able to work a useful > cartoparty with Philippe so far, as I had hoped, nor simply to get enough > time to show him how to begin mapping. I would like to give an oppotunity > for Philippe to > > 3.1/ come and meet us, > 3.2/ have a good reason to come and meet us, for himself, > 3.3/ quickly get the basis on how to map for pleasure and interest, > > 4/ provide an opportunity for members of the official government data > providers to easily meet the active OSM community. Eg: I have invited people > working at Cirb who have developped and provided Urbis to come and attend > the meeting. The location, ESI, is really effective for that. It is located > less than 500 m from Cirb main offices. > > 5/ involve the school where I teach, ESI, a school where we educate computer > scientists, more and more with free software tools and methods, and allow > the colleagues and students to meet the community easily. > >> Is this a >> presentation of OSM to a wider audience ? > > > yes > >> >> If so, why will we discuss >> the internal organisation to run an OSM website. This is something >> that has to take place behind closed doors. >> > indeed > >> >> I would group all presentations about OSM together time-wise and after >> that's done, the insiders can stay and discuss stuff > > > this is what I tried to propose as a schedule. Please do not hesitate to > swap elements to better reach that goal. > >> >> such as >> >> * "Do we need a VZW/ASBL to support this? ", >> * "Discussion around the Open data Wallonia hackathon" >> * "contacts with administrations or press" >> >> >> We do not need an audience for that, do we ? >> > no. > > My proposal is that such topics be discussed, as you propose, in a seconde > phase at ESI and later at the restaurant, which ever is the most convenient. > > Is many wants, we could ask for sandwiches / pizzas to be delivered at the > school where we can access the cafetaria. > >> As for the presentations, if no one else (of the more experienced >> presenters/mappers) volunteers, I can give a presentation/demo on >> JOSM. > > > please do. I'll let you add your name and your proposal for the details of > the presentation to the pad page. > >> >> Assuming the audience is not familiar with mapping I thought of >> the following outline >> >> - what is mapping (showing a sketch of a map as we used to do a long time >> ago) >> - add a restaurant node in ID >> - switch to JOSM (I'm much more familiar with it) >> - Use GPX track + waypoints >> - Use some presets to show JOSM can be easy as well >> - some the usage of other data sources, e.g. data of De Lijn (from >> DB), VMM (from Excel), Monuments from Wikipedia (via small Python >> script) >> - simple turn restriction relation (to show it's not all nodes and lines) >> > I like very much this list of topics. > >> >> or do you want to focus more on 1 topic e.g. adding house numbers ? >> > that woulf be for another time ... or could be the answer to some questions, > depending on the time it takes. > >> >> >> as for the nice maps, besides good examples, I also think of different >> renderings to show the richness of the data >> >> - main OSM site with the different styles to get started (of Brussels >> to show work on Urbis ?) > > +1 especially with Urbis as members of the Cirb urbis team will be present. > I would love that they develop closer relations with the OSM community, and > that the relation and exchange of data become bidirectionnal ( OSM <=> > Urbis, and not only Urbis => OSM) > >> >> - OpenLinkMap to show the hyperlinks and opening hours > > +1 >> >> - hike bike map to show the work on walking network >> - OpenSnowMap >> - Gesichtskarte (Lier, Mechelen or Antwerpen) >> - Perhaps some maps from ITO ? >> - Some examples from Best of the Map (http://bestofosm.org/) >> > all are very interesting. As a cyclist, and beginner mapper, I would also > like, if possible, to know how to help developping OSM cycle map in > Brussels, for example adding the new yellow signs that allow the cyclist to > pass a red light either to move forward or to turn right, in such a way that > this can be later used by automatic routing programs. > > I would also like to know how to easily use OSM to get directions in Belgium > / Brussels. While I rely mostly on OSM for location in Brussels, I still > rely mostly on Google maps for directions when I need to go to a place that > I don't know well. I would like nt to have to use Google maps altogether. > > I would also like to know how I can easily map with the students of my > schools, using the paper website. I want my students to be able to map on > their free time, and get a *very* detailed OSM map of ESI neighborhoods, > with every shops, restaurants, administrations, house numbers ... > > I know some of my goals would take much more time than the 3 to 4 hours > we'll have, but now you have my ideas. > > Much thanks, > > Nicolas >> >> regards >> >> m >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > 2013/9/26 Julien Fastré <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> About RTBF / Le Soir, etc.: IMHO I am not sure we should invite them >> >> there. We will have a lot of discussion about our own internal >> >> organisation. >> >> We should plan a future event to invite them, but not necessary this >> >> time. >> > >> > This is indeed what I considered. I fully agree. >> > >> > THere will most probably be members of Cirb. We could altogether prepare >> > a >> > future public meeting and its communication, and plan activities to show >> > then a really beautiful and useful map of Belgium, a website that offers >> > a >> > lot and where the public can benefit and contribute. >> > >> > Nice to see you all, >> > >> > Nicolas >> >> >> >> >> >> Nice to see you ! >> >> >> >> Julien Fastré >> >> >> >> >> >> Le 26/09/13 12:36, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit : >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/9/26 Ben Abelshausen <[email protected]> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I would propose that we discuss and compose the schedule of the >> >>>> meeting >> >>>> on http://lite2.framapad.org/p/OSMBE20131003 and list there who would >> >>>> come. >> >>>> >> >>>> Please see there the proposed planning and comment / adapt ? >> >>>> >> >>>> I would very much like to get in touch with the press (RTBF, Le Soir, >> >>>> Le >> >>>> vif, la DH, Tele Bruxelles) and members of the administrations to >> >>>> advertize >> >>>> the event and have public come if you agree. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> Nice! If this is public then maybe we could announce on twitter/meetup >> >>> too? >> >> >> >> >> >> yes .Please do . I do not have the time to . >> >> >> >> Every advertissement and communication on the (social) networks are >> >> good >> >> >> >>> Not sure If I will be able to make it at 19:00 already, I start >> >>> working >> >>> as a freelancer for AGIV (!) next week... :-) >> >>> >> >> you'll do your best. This is why we start with a get to know each other >> >> >> >>> >> >>> I updated the framapad with my comments. >> >> >> >> >> >> much thanks >> >> >> >> Please indicate if you come and want to eat. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Talk-be mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Talk-be mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Nicolas Pettiaux - +32 496 24 55 01 - http://rmll.info - >> > http://lepacte.be >> > EuroSciPy 2013 co-chair http://www.euroscipy.org/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Talk-be mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > > > > > > -- > Nicolas Pettiaux - +32 496 24 55 01 - http://rmll.info - http://lepacte.be > EuroSciPy 2013 co-chair http://www.euroscipy.org/
Thanks a lot for explaining this. It's much clearer now for me. I'll try to prepare the talk a bit, just so I have a few examples that I can really map. Hopefully nobody will add the restaurant Shanghai in Willebroek in the meantime :-) Depending on the audience I can switch topics or focus more on one or another, I'll be flexible. Just in case you want to know a bit more about my JOSM/mapping skills I've only been mapping for 2.5 years, that's why I think there might be more experienced people around. I've been mapping walking networks, busstops, house numbers, roads (with attributes) and since a few months the protected monuments. I'm not very familiar with waterways & boundaries. I wrote a JOSM preset. I've used all the stuff mentioned in the outline above. Hope this is sufficient to give such a presentation. BTW, my French is terrible. see you next week ! m _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
