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2800 Mechelen animals.slippers.loaders gsm 0486 516261 Ctrl+v > From: [email protected] > Subject: Talk-be Digest, Vol 95, Issue 28 > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:16:37 +0000 > > Send Talk-be mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-be digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris > (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=) > 2. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris (Ruben Maes) > 3. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris > (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=) > 4. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris > (Karel Adams) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:14:57 +0100 > From: "=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=" <[email protected]> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <[email protected]>, OpenStreetMap Belgium > <[email protected]> > Subject: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in > Paris > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging. > In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little... > Wikipedia have been extremely fast > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all > languages !!! > After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but > how?): > Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France > <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France> > > I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane): > Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that > happened here on 2015-11-13. > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155> > It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note> > to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations. > (they were perfectly mapped, bravo) > > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques > > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de > > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde. > In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. > Translates to: > Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that > happened here on 2015-11-13. > Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the > world. > > Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists. > Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with. > I will make any change easily using my *.osm file. > > By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press. > It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to > join the world's cry . > But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism. > > Cheers > > André. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20151114/3e1e2972/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:24:32 +0100 > From: Ruben Maes <[email protected]> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in > Paris > Message-ID: <1494762.PGpAJdsEip@ood> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone > else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I > would rather have your changeset reverted. > > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. There > may even be terrorists here for all we know. > > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed > and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which > too many people are already doing. > > Regards > Ruben > > > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard: > > Hi, > > > > OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging. > > In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little... > > Wikipedia have been extremely fast > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all > > languages !!! > > After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but > > how?): > > Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France > > <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France> > > > > I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane): > > Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that > > happened here on 2015-11-13. > > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155> > > It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note> > > to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations. > > (they were perfectly mapped, bravo) > > > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques > > > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de > > > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde. > > In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. > > Translates to: > > Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that > > happened here on 2015-11-13. > > Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the > > world. > > > > Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists. > > Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with. > > I will make any change easily using my *.osm file. > > > > By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press. > > It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to > > join the world's cry . > > But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism. > > > > Cheers > > > > André. > > > > > > -- > This message is OpenPGP signed. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 836 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20151114/5d344877/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:07:06 +0100 > From: "=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=" <[email protected]> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in > Paris > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote : > > Hi > > > > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone > > else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I > > would rather have your changeset reverted. > My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I > feared this reply. > > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. > That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion > about it. > At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes. > I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of > yeses, I will revert. > So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no. > > By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a > decision is made by Monday. > > And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what > you think about the Wikipedia link. That is, a link that is not the > website of the element but to information related to it. > > There may even be terrorists here for all we know. > > > > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed > > and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which > > too many people are already doing. > I don't feel like that at all. There is no boasting. > Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much boasting? > > Cheers > > André. > > > > Regards > > Ruben > > > > > > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard: > >> Hi, > >> > >> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging. > >> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little... > >> Wikipedia have been extremely fast > >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all > >> languages !!! > >> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but > >> how?): > >> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France > >> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France> > >> > >> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane): > >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that > >> happened here on 2015-11-13. > >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155> > >> It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note> > >> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations. > >> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo) > >>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques > >>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de > >>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde. > >> In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. > >> Translates to: > >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that > >> happened here on 2015-11-13. > >> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the > >> world. > >> > >> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists. > >> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with. > >> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file. > >> > >> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press. > >> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to > >> join the world's cry . > >> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> André. > >> > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20151114/44943935/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:16:21 +0000 > From: Karel Adams <[email protected]> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in > Paris > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Ruben heeft gelijk. Politiek is politiek. Dat is niet de bekommernis van > onze gemeenschappelijke zaak ("cause commune"). > > Et à vous André: il ne faut pas mettre en question, voire même valider, > l'opinion générale avant de l'avoir sollicitée. > > Karel > > On 14-11-15 17:07, André Pirard wrote: > > On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote : > >> Hi > >> > >> I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone > >> else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I > >> would rather have your changeset reverted. > > My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I > > feared this reply. > >> Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. > > That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion > > about it. > > At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes. > > I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority > > of yeses, I will revert. > > So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no. > > > > By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a > > decision is made by Monday. > > > > And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us > > what you think about the Wikipedia link. That is, a link that is not > > the website of the element but to information related to it. > >> There may even be terrorists here for all we know. > >> > >> If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed > >> and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which > >> too many people are already doing. > > I don't feel like that at all. There is no boasting. > > Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much > > boasting? > > > > Cheers > > > > André. > > > > > >> Regards > >> Ruben > >> > >> > >> Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging. > >>> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little... > >>> Wikipedia have been extremely fast > >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all > >>> languages !!! > >>> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but > >>> how?): > >>> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France > >>> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France> > >>> > >>> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane): > >>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that > >>> happened here on 2015-11-13. > >>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155> > >>> It adds the following note<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note> > >>> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations. > >>> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo) > >>>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques > >>>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de > >>>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde. > >>> In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. > >>> Translates to: > >>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that > >>> happened here on 2015-11-13. > >>> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the > >>> world. > >>> > >>> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists. > >>> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with. > >>> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file. > >>> > >>> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press. > >>> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to > >>> join the world's cry . > >>> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> André. > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-be mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20151114/aca02260/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Talk-be Digest, Vol 95, Issue 28 > ***************************************
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